]]> AZhitman 2009-07-03T18:15:08-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4884360#4884360 Quote, originally posted by AZhitman By that reasoning, ALL Nissans are "almost exactly the same" suspension-wise.They share no common components. the front suspension on an r32 gts is 100% swappable with 300zx minus the front subframe, same with the rear. from the knuckles in they are pretty much exactly the same. which is why i said they are the same things with different engines. obiviously they arent exactly the same but unless you get a GTR they are pretty much the same thing. i dont think i was spreading mis information i think maybe i should have put it differently Quote, originally posted by AZhitman raquo;By that reasoning, ALL Nissans are "almost exactly the same" suspension-wise.

They share no common components.

the front suspension on an r32 gts is 100% swappable with 300zx minus the front subframe, same with the rear. from the knuckles in they are pretty much exactly the same. which is why i said they are the same things with different engines. obiviously they arent exactly the same but unless you get a GTR they are pretty much the same thing. i dont think i was spreading mis information i think maybe i should have put it differently ]]> discosteak 2009-07-03T00:55:06-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4884332#4884332 By that reasoning, ALL Nissans are "almost exactly the same" suspension-wise.They share no common components. They are substantially similar, but so are a lot of other Nissans.Hell, I have a HLSD from an R34 in my S13 - Does that mean my S13 "is really nothing but a GTR with a different engine." You said: "besides its really nothing but a 300zx with a different engine."So, I'll sit here and let you explain to me how an R32 is "a 300ZX with a different engine".p.s. I *do* agree with your last statement. They share no common components. They are substantially similar, but so are a lot of other Nissans.

Hell, I have a HLSD from an R34 in my S13 - Does that mean my S13 "is really nothing but a GTR with a different engine." ?

You said: "besides its really nothing but a 300zx with a different engine."

So, I'll sit here and let you explain to me how an R32 is "a 300ZX with a different engine".

p.s. I *do* agree with your last statement. ]]> AZhitman 2009-07-03T00:23:41-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4884286#4884286 Quote, originally posted by AZhitman And the R32 is nothing like a 300ZX. Please stop posting nonsense.you have obliviously been misled. i would like you to explain how its not like a 300zx. the front suspension is almost exactly the same and the rears on both are setup almost exactly like a 240sx. I dont care about what the US requires that other countries dont. I think its retarded that people wil pay 40k for a "legal" skyline. when that 40 thousand dollars cant be spent on something much better than a pregnant 300zx Modified by discosteak at 11:54 PM 7/2/2009 Quote, originally posted by AZhitman raquo;

And the R32 is nothing like a 300ZX. Please stop posting nonsense.

you have obliviously been misled. i would like you to explain how its not like a 300zx. the front suspension is almost exactly the same and the rears on both are setup almost exactly like a 240sx. I dont care about what the US requires that other countries dont. I think its retarded that people wil pay 40k for a "legal" skyline. when that 40 thousand dollars cant be spent on something much better than a pregnant 300zx

Modified by discosteak at 11:54 PM 7/2/2009 ]]> discosteak 2009-07-02T23:47:31-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4883055#4883055 Quote, originally posted by DroptopDrifting yeah, lol sorry bout that. i had just woken up. fixed. All good - I know you know your stuff. Quote, originally posted by DroptopDrifting raquo;yeah, lol sorry bout that. i had just woken up. fixed.

All good - I know you know your stuff. ]]> AZhitman 2009-07-02T13:45:06-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4883040#4883040 Quote, originally posted by Vandrel Then those people should wait till 2014Yep. Better than trusting importers who state they can legally get them into the country. Quote, originally posted by Vandrel raquo;

Then those people should wait till 2014

Yep. Better than trusting importers who state they can legally get them into the country. ]]> audtatious 2009-07-02T13:33:49-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4882964#4882964 yeah, lol sorry bout that. i had just woken up. fixed. DroptopDrifting 2009-07-02T13:00:49-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4882901#4882901 Quote, originally posted by DroptopDrifting i do not personally believe the cars are unsafe in any way. why make a twin turbo v6 powered car and not make it capable of handling and safe... i put my full trust in those cars. it's just DOT's excuse. i wasn't saying i support their excuse in any way, just sayin that that's what they say if you ask em. I agree 100%. I don't like the federal regs any more than you guys do, I think they're a load of CRAP.However, what I like even LESS is people spouting misinformation. You'll never see me bash on someone for trying to find a way around it - But I *WILL* bring the noise on someone who doesn't READ or do their homework.BTW, I think you meant "twin-turbo straight-6.". Quote, originally posted by DroptopDrifting raquo; i do not personally believe the cars are unsafe in any way. why make a twin turbo v6 powered car and not make it capable of handling and safe... i put my full trust in those cars. it's just DOT's excuse. i wasn't saying i support their excuse in any way, just sayin that that's what they say if you ask em.

I agree 100%. I don't like the federal regs any more than you guys do, I think they're a load of CRAP.

However, what I like even LESS is people spouting misinformation. You'll never see me bash on someone for trying to find a way around it - But I *WILL* bring the noise on someone who doesn't READ or do their homework.

BTW, I think you meant "twin-turbo straight-6.". ]]> AZhitman 2009-07-02T12:26:52-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4882885#4882885 Quote, originally posted by discosteak what is unsafe about a skyline they are made of the same s***ty metal that every other nissan is made of. besides its really nothing but a 300zx with a different engine.Dude, you have no clue what you're talking about, so stop while you're behind.There are several fed regulations (set forth under the FMVSS, which you haven't read) that apply to USDM cars that are not required on cars built for other countries.And the R32 is nothing like a 300ZX. Please stop posting nonsense. Quote, originally posted by discosteak raquo;what is unsafe about a skyline? they are made of the same s***ty metal that every other nissan is made of. besides its really nothing but a 300zx with a different engine.

Dude, you have no clue what you're talking about, so stop while you're behind.

There are several fed regulations (set forth under the FMVSS, which you haven't read) that apply to USDM cars that are not required on cars built for other countries.

And the R32 is nothing like a 300ZX. Please stop posting nonsense.

]]> AZhitman 2009-07-02T12:22:18-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4882878#4882878 Quote, originally posted by driftmotion also ..... a guy in canada got an R34 registered by swaping the frame from a 240 onto his skyline ..... Ummmm, bulls***.Both cars are unibody - They don't HAVE a "frame". Quote, originally posted by driftmotion raquo;also ..... a guy in canada got an R34 registered by swaping the frame from a 240 onto his skyline .....

Ummmm, bulls***.

Both cars are unibody - They don't HAVE a "frame".
]]> AZhitman 2009-07-02T12:16:07-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4882836#4882836 you dont have to worry about any of that suff on a 240sx ]]> discosteak 2009-07-02T12:00:31-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4882764#4882764 there's a lot of tests that weren't done, not just crash testing. and i'm sure they dont make any windshields to completely shatter, but there's a list of specs motorex used to list as what they had to do to be US DOT compliant and i remember swapping the windshield was one of em. but yes, the crash tests were on that list as well, which no one wanted to do because of costs. you have to buy multiple skylines and crash them each one in a different way too....who the hell wanted to spend $100k on skylines just to crash them. i couldnt care less about what is exaggerated and regulated by DOT or not, i do not personally believe the cars are unsafe in any way. why make a twin turbo i6 powered car and not make it capable of handling and safe... i put my full trust in those cars. it's just DOT's excuse. i wasn't saying i support their excuse in any way, just sayin that that's what they say if you ask em. Modified by DroptopDrifting at 1:02 PM 7/2/2009 i couldnt care less about what is exaggerated and regulated by DOT or not, i do not personally believe the cars are unsafe in any way. why make a twin turbo i6 powered car and not make it capable of handling and safe... i put my full trust in those cars. it's just DOT's excuse. i wasn't saying i support their excuse in any way, just sayin that that's what they say if you ask em.

Modified by DroptopDrifting at 1:02 PM 7/2/2009 ]]> DroptopDrifting 2009-07-02T11:27:50-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4881733#4881733 Quote, originally posted by DroptopDrifting oh, and when i mentioned "safe" i put it in quotes because i think its stupidity. there is nothing unsafe about it, but according to DOT it doesnt meet up to standard regulations on safety, i.e. the windshield isn't shatter proof. that's their reasoning on why it's illegal, safety issues. i wasnt trying to say they are unsafe, i was talking about the reasons the gov't use to keep em off our streets.the windshields ar the exact same thing as we get here in america. I know because i have broken 1 I mentioned the plate under the hood because the car doesnt have vin plates on the dash the car is caged. they are illegal here because they were never crash tested by the DOT. which coincidentally is the same reason the motorex guy is in jail. he lied about crash testing r34's and r32's Quote, originally posted by DroptopDrifting raquo;oh, and when i mentioned "safe" i put it in quotes because i think its stupidity. there is nothing unsafe about it, but according to DOT it doesnt meet up to standard regulations on safety, i.e. the windshield isn't shatter proof. that's their reasoning on why it's illegal, safety issues. i wasnt trying to say they are unsafe, i was talking about the reasons the gov't use to keep em off our streets.

the windshields ar the exact same thing as we get here in america. I know because i have broken 1

I mentioned the plate under the hood because the car doesnt have vin plates on the dash the car is caged. they are illegal here because they were never crash tested by the DOT. which coincidentally is the same reason the motorex guy is in jail. he lied about crash testing r34's and r32's ]]> discosteak 2009-07-01T22:44:22-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4881714#4881714 its the stupidest thing ever, jdm rx-7...no one even notices....jdm supra....big deal......skyline gtr...omg, the feds are gonna crush your car!!!!.....why cause its just too awesome or something im over it...does anyone else want to deal with it joshiroku 2009-07-01T22:30:38-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4881705#4881705 oh, and when i mentioned "safe" i put it in quotes because i think its stupidity. there is nothing unsafe about it, but according to DOT it doesnt meet up to standard regulations on safety, i.e. the windshield isn't shatter proof. that's their reasoning on why it's illegal, safety issues. i wasnt trying to say they are unsafe, i was talking about the reasons the gov't use to keep em off our streets. DroptopDrifting 2009-07-01T22:25:48-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4881701#4881701 Quote, originally posted by discosteak how could you even remotely say that taking 2 plastic clips off of a fire wall is work let alone more work than the car is worth. what is unsafe about a skyline they are made of the same s***ty metal that every other nissan is made of. besides its really nothing but a 300zx with a different engine. who said registering it was a problem the only problem seems to be registering it as a skyline. why would you want to register a car that is federally illegal anywayso aparantly there is two ways to go about owning a skyline, registering it as a skyline and waiting for the fed gov. to come take it. or the way that works and guarantees the gov wont even come looking for it. who cares if its illegal, it works. i know of two in my area that are registered as 240s both have been pulled over numerous times without problems. and guess what they still go home to the owners driveway every night. take it from someone who has done it there is a right way and an easy way. yeah the easy way might seem a little shady. but i enjoy getting to keep the things I pay for when i mentioned doin more work than its worth, i was talkin about what driftmotion said about swapping the frame. and as far as swapping the metal plate on the firewall, you dont even have to, just buy a junk 240 and go to the dmv with that vin and just swap it on the dash, its the only place ive ever seen a cop look at around here, but yeah, i wasnt talkin about what you said when it came to the "work" part of things. people i know with skylines just buy junk 240 part cars and go to the dmv and register their skyline as a 240 with the vin from the junk car. easy as 1-2-3. either way though, all you need is a fed who knows what theyre lookin at to see it and you're caught. dunno bout elsewhere, but tuesdays and thursdays we got feds patroling in NY and everyone knows to buy their drugs other nights of the week, im assuming its the same for cars: just dont drive your skylines all over tues/thursday here and you'll be fine. my friends had his r32gtr for about 2 years now, hassle free. but also, it's a 92 i believe so he doesnt have much time left before he can get legal plates for it heh Quote, originally posted by discosteak raquo;

how could you even remotely say that taking 2 plastic clips off of a fire wall is work let alone more work than the car is worth. what is unsafe about a skyline? they are made of the same s***ty metal that every other nissan is made of. besides its really nothing but a 300zx with a different engine.

who said registering it was a problem? the only problem seems to be registering it as a skyline. why would you want to register a car that is federally illegal anyway?

so aparantly there is two ways to go about owning a skyline, registering it as a skyline and waiting for the fed gov. to come take it. or the way that works and guarantees the gov wont even come looking for it.

who cares if its illegal, it works. i know of two in my area that are registered as 240s both have been pulled over numerous times without problems. and guess what they still go home to the owners driveway every night.

take it from someone who has done it there is a right way and an easy way. yeah the easy way might seem a little shady. but i enjoy getting to keep the things I pay for

when i mentioned doin more work than its worth, i was talkin about what driftmotion said about swapping the frame. and as far as swapping the metal plate on the firewall, you dont even have to, just buy a junk 240 and go to the dmv with that vin and just swap it on the dash, its the only place ive ever seen a cop look at around here, but yeah, i wasnt talkin about what you said when it came to the "work" part of things. people i know with skylines just buy junk 240 part cars and go to the dmv and register their skyline as a 240 with the vin from the junk car. easy as 1-2-3. either way though, all you need is a fed who knows what theyre lookin at to see it and you're caught. dunno bout elsewhere, but tuesdays and thursdays we got feds patroling in NY and everyone knows to buy their drugs other nights of the week, im assuming its the same for cars: just dont drive your skylines all over tues/thursday here and you'll be fine. my friends had his r32gtr for about 2 years now, hassle free. but also, it's a 92 i believe so he doesnt have much time left before he can get legal plates for it heh ]]> DroptopDrifting 2009-07-01T22:24:06-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4880782#4880782 Quote, originally posted by audtatious Apparently, those who wish to not break the law.....Then those people should wait till 2014 Quote, originally posted by audtatious raquo;

Apparently, those who wish to not break the law.....

Then those people should wait till 2014 ]]> Vandrel 2009-07-01T15:29:52-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4879164#4879164 Quote, originally posted by discosteak who cares if its illegal,Apparently, those who wish to not break the law..... Quote, originally posted by discosteak raquo;
who cares if its illegal,

Apparently, those who wish to not break the law..... ]]> audtatious 2009-07-01T00:35:02-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4879116#4879116 Quote, originally posted by driftmotion also ..... a guy in canada got an R34 registered by swaping the frame from a 240 onto his skyline ..... way custom but then registered it as a 240 saying that he had custom built this car from a 240 frame (which had proper salvage vins)might be something to consider! this sounds like major bulls*** anyway he more than likely vin swapped the car considering its nearly impossible to swap a unibody chassis Quote, originally posted by driftmotion raquo;also ..... a guy in canada got an R34 registered by swaping the frame from a 240 onto his skyline ..... way custom but then registered it as a 240 saying that he had custom built this car from a 240 frame (which had proper salvage vins)

might be something to consider!

this sounds like major bulls*** anyway he more than likely vin swapped the car considering its nearly impossible to swap a unibody chassis ]]> discosteak 2009-06-30T23:52:15-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4879102#4879102 Quote, originally posted by DroptopDrifting you people arent getting it. a skyline will register at your state dmv. you xcan get insurance, reg, tags, etc. but on a federal level it is illegal. customs along with DOT are workin hard to keep our roads "safe" and free of vehicles that aren't up to par with our US safety laws and motor vehicle laws. so you can go register your skyline and drive it daily, but if you get caught by a fed, you're done. there is no need to swap vins or frames (which is twice as much work as the car is even worth) as the car will register as is. please read the article about skylines right here on nico, a link of which was posted in this forum, before you guys start poisting stupid senseless posts and nonsense about doing even more illegal s*** than is already being done. how could you even remotely say that taking 2 plastic clips off of a fire wall is work let alone more work than the car is worth. what is unsafe about a skyline they are made of the same s***ty metal that every other nissan is made of. besides its really nothing but a 300zx with a different engine. who said registering it was a problem the only problem seems to be registering it as a skyline. why would you want to register a car that is federally illegal anywayso aparantly there is two ways to go about owning a skyline, registering it as a skyline and waiting for the fed gov. to come take it. or the way that works and guarantees the gov wont even come looking for it. who cares if its illegal, it works. i know of two in my area that are registered as 240s both have been pulled over numerous times without problems. and guess what they still go home to the owners driveway every night. take it from someone who has done it there is a right way and an easy way. yeah the easy way might seem a little shady. but i enjoy getting to keep the things I pay for Quote, originally posted by DroptopDrifting raquo;you people arent getting it. a skyline will register at your state dmv. you xcan get insurance, reg, tags, etc. but on a federal level it is illegal. customs along with DOT are workin hard to keep our roads "safe" and free of vehicles that aren't up to par with our US safety laws and motor vehicle laws. so you can go register your skyline and drive it daily, but if you get caught by a fed, you're done. there is no need to swap vins or frames (which is twice as much work as the car is even worth) as the car will register as is. please read the article about skylines right here on nico, a link of which was posted in this forum, before you guys start poisting stupid senseless posts and nonsense about doing even more illegal s*** than is already being done.

how could you even remotely say that taking 2 plastic clips off of a fire wall is work let alone more work than the car is worth. what is unsafe about a skyline? they are made of the same s***ty metal that every other nissan is made of. besides its really nothing but a 300zx with a different engine.

who said registering it was a problem? the only problem seems to be registering it as a skyline. why would you want to register a car that is federally illegal anyway?

so aparantly there is two ways to go about owning a skyline, registering it as a skyline and waiting for the fed gov. to come take it. or the way that works and guarantees the gov wont even come looking for it.

who cares if its illegal, it works. i know of two in my area that are registered as 240s both have been pulled over numerous times without problems. and guess what they still go home to the owners driveway every night.

take it from someone who has done it there is a right way and an easy way. yeah the easy way might seem a little shady. but i enjoy getting to keep the things I pay for ]]> discosteak 2009-06-30T23:43:55-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4879077#4879077 you people arent getting it. a skyline will register at your state dmv. you xcan get insurance, reg, tags, etc. but on a federal level it is illegal. customs along with DOT are workin hard to keep our roads "safe" and free of vehicles that aren't up to par with our US safety laws and motor vehicle laws. so you can go register your skyline and drive it daily, but if you get caught by a fed, you're done. there is no need to swap vins or frames (which is twice as much work as the car is even worth) as the car will register as is. please read the article about skylines right here on nico, a link of which was posted in this forum, before you guys start poisting stupid senseless posts and nonsense about doing even more illegal s*** than is already being done. DroptopDrifting 2009-06-30T23:20:53-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4879027#4879027 its 1000 times easier to just pop the aluminum plate off the fire wall and replace it with one from a 240. then register the 240 and drive discosteak 2009-06-30T22:48:14-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4876767#4876767 also ..... a guy in canada got an R34 registered by swaping the frame from a 240 onto his skyline ..... way custom but then registered it as a 240 saying that he had custom built this car from a 240 frame (which had proper salvage vins)might be something to consider! might be something to consider! ]]> driftmotion 2009-06-30T07:50:34-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4876754#4876754 maybe you can 2 way it to canada .... ship it to the a non- Nafta country and then ship it to canada .... that should work ..... i used to import cars from japan into canada and that should work fine.then store it or register it in canada for now and drive it once in a while !!!!! then store it or register it in canada for now and drive it once in a while !!!!! ]]> driftmotion 2009-06-30T07:44:10-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4874918#4874918 It's illegal when you cut VIN#'s off of a vehicle. It's not however, illegal to register a car and put a plate on the wrong car by accident :D oopsy Vandrel 2009-06-29T14:35:08-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4874461#4874461 its only illegal if you get caught. homeland security doesnt come looking for 240's discosteak 2009-06-29T11:04:55-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4873732#4873732 Yeah, if you like being charged for a felony. Gold Digger 2009-06-29T03:20:07-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4873581#4873581 all the more reason to vin swap skylines with 240sx' discosteak 2009-06-29T00:24:35-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4873469#4873469 Gee, kaizo cars may not be legal after all Seems a number of people have been stating that for a while now. audtatious 2009-06-28T22:58:37-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4873336#4873336 They were checking up on the cars, a lot of other details behind it but cliff notes boil down to Kaizo cars being seized along with inventory computers and paperwork. Vandrel 2009-06-28T21:48:11-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4871672#4871672 any idea what they wanted with those shops its sad that people have decent bussines and that the gov tries to mess with them. EL MAMITO USMC 2009-06-28T05:35:29-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4871408#4871408 I know a guy in Curacao where these things are legal. He'd be happy to hold it for you for a bit I'm sure.Also, I'm sure it is part of a bigger picture with your case. ICE and CARB raided Kaizo and RB Motoring 22 days ago which leaning towards other things. Not real further information has been put out yet but there's been 1 claim that a guy got a visit from ICE and they are telling him to export as well. His car he shipped through Kaizo when he moved back from overseas (military). Also, I'm sure it is part of a bigger picture with your case. ICE and CARB raided Kaizo and RB Motoring 22 days ago which leaning towards other things. Not real further information has been put out yet but there's been 1 claim that a guy got a visit from ICE and they are telling him to export as well. His car he shipped through Kaizo when he moved back from overseas (military). ]]> Vandrel 2009-06-27T23:24:36-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4859528#4859528 just an idea... ship it to the bahamas and then fly out there yourself, find someone with a decent sized boat there and give the guy some money to give you and your car a ride back to florida. then drive it back from florida to texas to your house i'm moving to miami in august, i can help you out. the bahamas is like a 45 min. boat ride to FL. or if you know anyone in the military stationed out in gitmo, transfer the title to them, have them bring it to cuba, and then once again, find some old cuban with a boat and have him bring you to key west, then drive it back from there. i'd prefer the first suggestion, much easier lol i'm moving to miami in august, i can help you out. the bahamas is like a 45 min. boat ride to FL.

or if you know anyone in the military stationed out in gitmo, transfer the title to them, have them bring it to cuba, and then once again, find some old cuban with a boat and have him bring you to key west, then drive it back from there.

i'd prefer the first suggestion, much easier lol ]]> DroptopDrifting 2009-06-23T18:27:54-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4859461#4859461 As much as it does suck to talk about it, we do thank you for your information concerning what is going on. Yes, it was a substantial investment that ended up getting pulled from under you.Let this be a lesson to all those who are trying to get around the laws. I do hope this works out for you in the long run in one way or another. Let this be a lesson to all those who are trying to get around the laws.

I do hope this works out for you in the long run in one way or another. ]]> Gold Digger 2009-06-23T18:01:47-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4858165#4858165 As another update, the agents are still "processing" the case. This could really mean anything, but im assuming that this case is part of something much larger. Maybe many skylines are being looked at throughout the US and its going to start some domino effect.I still have not gotten an answer on if i can export it or not, im sure its being held as evidence in this whole mess. I feel sorry for the car, wonder if it has even recieved any bathes It probably doesnt even run anymore, idiots at the storage lot probably broke it. This whole situation still boils me up to where i cant stand it sometimes, loosing this much money is very hard to deal with.I have not forgotten to update everyone, it just hard to talk about it, especially when there is no good news or news at all. I still have not gotten an answer on if i can export it or not, im sure its being held as evidence in this whole mess. I feel sorry for the car, wonder if it has even recieved any bathes? It probably doesnt even run anymore, idiots at the storage lot probably broke it. This whole situation still boils me up to where i cant stand it sometimes, loosing this much money is very hard to deal with.

I have not forgotten to update everyone, it just hard to talk about it, especially when there is no good news or news at all.

]]> thomasK(austin) 2009-06-23T09:30:11-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4627500#4627500 Quote, originally posted by Gold Digger Speaking of dimes, there was one at Daikoku Futo the other night that makes me wish I had my good camera and not my cell camera.1970 Bluebird SSS coupe. Was exported to America, built, then re-imported back to Japan. Owner is a Navy dude.Car has a mostly stock redtop S13 SR20DET that has turbo mani, Greddy intake mani and FMIC. Still runs the stock turbo. This car is absolutely stunning. Clean, sharp looking, and under the hood, no non-sense. Just what's needed. I'll see if I can get a hold of him and find out when he'll be back there again for pictures. It was just a beautiful car.The guy works in Atsugi right across from where i work. Yes, it is an awesome car.....very well done!Thomas, sorry to hear about your car....but thanks for posting this beacuse i am in the middle of working out something like you're trying to do....i have fam in Australia and Canada so im going to hit them up first ....Good Luck. Quote, originally posted by Gold Digger raquo;Speaking of dimes, there was one at Daikoku Futo the other night that makes me wish I had my good camera and not my cell camera.

1970 Bluebird SSS coupe. Was exported to America, built, then re-imported back to Japan. Owner is a Navy dude.

Car has a mostly stock redtop S13 SR20DET that has turbo mani, Greddy intake mani and FMIC. Still runs the stock turbo.

This car is absolutely stunning. Clean, sharp looking, and under the hood, no non-sense. Just what's needed.

I'll see if I can get a hold of him and find out when he'll be back there again for pictures.

It was just a beautiful car.

The guy works in Atsugi right across from where i work. Yes, it is an awesome car.....very well done!
Thomas, sorry to hear about your car....but thanks for posting this beacuse i am in the middle of working out something like you're trying to do....i have fam in Australia and Canada so im going to hit them up first ....Good Luck. ]]> PoundPuppy 2009-04-01T04:57:07-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4581973#4581973 yeah i did sean8564 2009-03-17T20:28:14-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4581323#4581323 No, Sean, I think you are thinking of a guy named Frank Mendoza (think that was his name) who went by the name celm on here and many other boards, as well.By the way, did you try to call me yesterday
By the way, did you try to call me yesterday? ]]> Gold Digger 2009-03-17T17:29:14-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4580765#4580765 Quote, originally posted by AZhitman Hey Sean!My bad - When I said "Sean", I meant Morris. Sorry 'bout that.hey it is all cool wasnt that the guy they called the skyline king who was busted in FL for bribing officals and falsifing documents Quote, originally posted by AZhitman raquo;

Hey Sean!

My bad - When I said "Sean", I meant Morris. Sorry 'bout that.
hey it is all cool wasnt that the guy they called the skyline king who was busted in FL for bribing officals and falsifing documents ]]> sean8564 2009-03-17T15:12:04-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4580514#4580514 Quote, originally posted by EZcheese15 All you have to do is fill out this form http://204.68.195.250/cars/rul...t.pdfThen check the checkbox in box 1. Hand it to the customs official, and you should be good to go. You may have to provide proof of the manufacturing date, either via the VIN or title and/or previous registration.yea after all this stuff happened, i read so much into the NHTSA/DOT/EPA that i was contemplating trying to become an RI. It is very interesting stuff. I suppose after 25 years, the car is considered a classic and with that mentality, only a small percentage of the population drives classics. I guess they figure that if you can keep a 25+ year old car running and drivable, you deserve to drive it. Keep in mind most americans have the mindset that old=gross and ugly, at least wives/fiances/girlfriends. Quote, originally posted by EZcheese15 raquo;

All you have to do is fill out this form http://204.68.195.250/cars/rul...t.pdf
Then check the checkbox in box 1. Hand it to the customs official, and you should be good to go. You may have to provide proof of the manufacturing date, either via the VIN or title and/or previous registration.

yea after all this stuff happened, i read so much into the NHTSA/DOT/EPA that i was contemplating trying to become an RI. It is very interesting stuff. I suppose after 25 years, the car is considered a classic and with that mentality, only a small percentage of the population drives classics.
I guess they figure that if you can keep a 25+ year old car running and drivable, you deserve to drive it. Keep in mind most americans have the mindset that old=gross and ugly, at least wives/fiances/girlfriends. ]]> thomasK(austin) 2009-03-17T14:02:52-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4579637#4579637 Quote, originally posted by sean8564 Greg i do not import anymore i have not done that in 2 years I sell parts now and that is all I had 20 cars taken away 2 years ago and never will mess with the car agian and the customs told me i could buy them back for export only i know someone who sent there car to the bahamasHey Sean!My bad - When I said "Sean", I meant Morris. Sorry 'bout that. Quote, originally posted by sean8564 raquo;
Greg i do not import anymore i have not done that in 2 years I sell parts now and that is all I had 20 cars taken away 2 years ago and never will mess with the car agian and the customs told me i could buy them back for export only i know someone who sent there car to the bahamas

Hey Sean!

My bad - When I said "Sean", I meant Morris. Sorry 'bout that. ]]> AZhitman 2009-03-17T09:03:11-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4578361#4578361 Quote, originally posted by themadscientist Any importers you can recommend for an 85' RS What magically happens at 25 years old anyway, I don't have to comply with what exactly All you have to do is fill out this form http://204.68.195.250/cars/rul...t.pdfThen check the checkbox in box 1. Hand it to the customs official, and you should be good to go. You may have to provide proof of the manufacturing date, either via the VIN or title and/or previous registration. Quote, originally posted by themadscientist raquo;Any importers you can recommend for an 85' RS? What magically happens at 25 years old anyway, I don't have to comply with what exactly?

All you have to do is fill out this form http://204.68.195.250/cars/rul...t.pdf
Then check the checkbox in box 1. Hand it to the customs official, and you should be good to go. You may have to provide proof of the manufacturing date, either via the VIN or title and/or previous registration. ]]> EZcheese15 2009-03-16T20:12:07-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4578301#4578301 Any importers you can recommend for an 85' RS What magically happens at 25 years old anyway, I don't have to comply with what exactly ]]> themadscientist 2009-03-16T19:52:22-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4578043#4578043 Quote, originally posted by AZhitman Guess this puts a little damper on some of the wannabe "importers" we've been punking lately, huh Sean Greg i do not import anymore i have not done that in 2 years I sell parts now and that is all I had 20 cars taken away 2 years ago and never will mess with the car agian and the customs told me i could buy them back for export only i know someone who sent there car to the bahamas Quote, originally posted by AZhitman raquo;Guess this puts a little damper on some of the wannabe "importers" we've been punking lately, huh Sean?
Greg i do not import anymore i have not done that in 2 years I sell parts now and that is all I had 20 cars taken away 2 years ago and never will mess with the car agian and the customs told me i could buy them back for export only i know someone who sent there car to the bahamas ]]> sean8564 2009-03-16T18:40:58-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4576411#4576411 Quote, originally posted by noobedloser lmao with $40K you couldve bought a motorex r32 at http://www.focusautosales.comyay for more skylines being crushednah, im going to wait until r32's are 25 years old and by then they will have flooded canada enough to where i will pick up a couple for under $10k. if i owned a motorex r32 now, i would try to get rid of it before the 25 yr mark, otherwise the value will plummet.Oh BTW, customs says they will give me an answer in writing within 30 days....we'll see. Quote, originally posted by noobedloser raquo;lmao with $40K you couldve bought a motorex r32 at http://www.focusautosales.com
yay for more skylines being crushed

nah, im going to wait until r32's are 25 years old and by then they will have flooded canada enough to where i will pick up a couple for under $10k.

if i owned a motorex r32 now, i would try to get rid of it before the 25 yr mark, otherwise the value will plummet.

Oh BTW, customs says they will give me an answer in writing within 30 days....we'll see. ]]> thomasK(austin) 2009-03-16T09:52:32-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4559293#4559293 Speaking of dimes, there was one at Daikoku Futo the other night that makes me wish I had my good camera and not my cell camera.1970 Bluebird SSS coupe. Was exported to America, built, then re-imported back to Japan. Owner is a Navy dude.Car has a mostly stock redtop S13 SR20DET that has turbo mani, Greddy intake mani and FMIC. Still runs the stock turbo. This car is absolutely stunning. Clean, sharp looking, and under the hood, no non-sense. Just what's needed. I'll see if I can get a hold of him and find out when he'll be back there again for pictures. It was just a beautiful car. 1970 Bluebird SSS coupe. Was exported to America, built, then re-imported back to Japan. Owner is a Navy dude.

Car has a mostly stock redtop S13 SR20DET that has turbo mani, Greddy intake mani and FMIC. Still runs the stock turbo.

This car is absolutely stunning. Clean, sharp looking, and under the hood, no non-sense. Just what's needed.

I'll see if I can get a hold of him and find out when he'll be back there again for pictures.

It was just a beautiful car. ]]> Gold Digger 2009-03-11T04:47:51-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4558787#4558787 That dime is sweet...AND over 25yo ]]> audtatious 2009-03-10T22:26:09-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4558654#4558654 forget that, get the dime!http://www.focusautosales.com/...04527 http://www.focusautosales.com/...04527 ]]> themadscientist 2009-03-10T21:54:30-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4558110#4558110 lmao with $40K you couldve bought a motorex r32 yay for more skylines being crushed noobedloser 2009-03-10T19:38:54-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4557772#4557772 Quote, originally posted by Gold Digger they are laws for a reason.Not always true.Quote, originally posted by Gold Digger if you break them, bad things happen.Almost always true.I am worried about getting my RS back. It will be 25 years-old but still, s*** happens. Quote, originally posted by Gold Digger raquo;they are laws for a reason.

Not always true.

Quote, originally posted by Gold Digger raquo;

if you break them, bad things happen.

Almost always true.

I am worried about getting my RS back. It will be 25 years-old but still, s*** happens. ]]> themadscientist 2009-03-10T18:30:08-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4557492#4557492 Hey, Thomas.Thanks for the update on this. I had kinda been wondering what had come of it, and you must have had some sort of mental telepathy cause a day later, here is the update...lol. Scarry.Anyway, be sure to keep us posted any time you get new information. I think it would be a good bit of reading for anyone thinking they want to try and get by the importing laws. Remember kids, they are laws for a reason, and if you break them, bad things happen.
Thanks for the update on this. I had kinda been wondering what had come of it, and you must have had some sort of mental telepathy cause a day later, here is the update...lol. Scarry.

Anyway, be sure to keep us posted any time you get new information.

I think it would be a good bit of reading for anyone thinking they want to try and get by the importing laws.

Remember kids, they are laws for a reason, and if you break them, bad things happen. ]]> Gold Digger 2009-03-10T17:29:51-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4556377#4556377 Quote, originally posted by jav4820 I feel your pain!! REad my expereinceI'm form San Jacinto (Shepherd TX) county Texas but lived in europe and while there I bought a 96 GTST TURBO from the UK. Paid 7500GBP cash. I bought it in 2004 and drove it from london through the tunnel across europe into the Czech Republic where I lived and work. Wonderful Experience!!!In late 2006 I wanted to move back to Texas and so had alot of cash with me, coordinated with shipping company and RI from TX and thought this would be enough to ship, change glass, door seats ect. through a RI. It gets to customs and immediately they wanted to crush it and acted like they didnt want to release it so can ship back to EU! I called other RI from other states they didtn want to help at all, Ri companies said they did not deal with skylines unless$$$$. A nightmare! I had complete history from when I bought in UK and got it registered through a DMV like place in Prague. Perfectly street legal car which exceeded EU standards and legalities.I shipped it back to CZE after almost 2 months and they charged me storage!!My RI also changed their attitude and wanted way more money and it was not a garantee. THey say the DOCS I had were Skyline **** over email!! I was enraged. Dont deal with RI in TEXAS unless you want to get burned. I am not saying names. RI thing is a really a govt red tape that pits citizens against each other.Matter in fact the GOVT do not want these cars in the US period!!! I see the folks here who post and I shake my head. They will find a way to take your car and make you spend the dough to get it back. YOu can also thank the idiots who race in heavy traffic and show no regards respect to life which causes the strict rules. The Govt left it up to each port's discretion to decide if a skyline gets in or not. Believe it or not! My opinion is if it gets through then someone had a brother n law or a hook up somewhere. If it is legal then they paid out of the a$$. I think after 25 years they will change the rules somehow to not let them in country. The person is right to say its sad that DHS cant find a real job to do/In the mean time I have perm residency in CZE so good news the car is my name still. I definately pay my child support ... 250/month. I also maintain the INS. So in 13 years hopefully I can get it to USA. It sucks having to live in US and get to drive once a year when I visit but most importantly I get to see my son.Thanks for ReadingWow, hope that works out for you.Just as a general update for everyone, i have still not received anything in writing as to the decision regarding me exporting the car. At the beginning of this ordeal i assumed exporting it would be as easy as 1-2-3, but its turning out to be questionable at best. I am crossing my fingers that they will allow me to do so.I talk to the place that is storing the car, they say its there and being moved (dont you mean abused) around the lot once in a while. Makes me wish i would have taken out the ECU or something so it wouldnt have even started...wasnt thinking at the time.I realize now that this car is part of something larger than my individual case. It is and probably being held as evidence in a larger case against the original importer. That is the only reason i see why it is taking so long. Hopefully the gov't has some type of sympathy and take my petition to heart....pray for me, it really sucks paying off a car that you dont have. Where's my bailout!! Quote, originally posted by jav4820 raquo;I feel your pain!! REad my expereince

I'm form San Jacinto (Shepherd TX) county Texas but lived in europe and while there I bought a 96 GTST TURBO from the UK. Paid 7500GBP cash. I bought it in 2004 and drove it from london through the tunnel across europe into the Czech Republic where I lived and work. Wonderful Experience!!!

In late 2006 I wanted to move back to Texas and so had alot of cash with me, coordinated with shipping company and RI from TX and thought this would be enough to ship, change glass, door seats ect. through a RI.

It gets to customs and immediately they wanted to crush it and acted like they didnt want to release it so can ship back to EU! I called other RI from other states they didtn want to help at all, Ri companies said they did not deal with skylines unless$$$$. A nightmare! I had complete history from when I bought in UK and got it registered through a DMV like place in Prague. Perfectly street legal car which exceeded EU standards and legalities.

I shipped it back to CZE after almost 2 months and they charged me storage!!

My RI also changed their attitude and wanted way more money and it was not a garantee. THey say the DOCS I had were Skyline **** over email!! I was enraged. Dont deal with RI in TEXAS unless you want to get burned. I am not saying names. RI thing is a really a govt red tape that pits citizens against each other.

Matter in fact the GOVT do not want these cars in the US period!!! I see the folks here who post and I shake my head. They will find a way to take your car and make you spend the dough to get it back. YOu can also thank the idiots who race in heavy traffic and show no regards respect to life which causes the strict rules.

The Govt left it up to each port's discretion to decide if a skyline gets in or not. Believe it or not! My opinion is if it gets through then someone had a brother n law or a hook up somewhere. If it is legal then they paid out of the a$$.

I think after 25 years they will change the rules somehow to not let them in country. The person is right to say its sad that DHS cant find a real job to do/

In the mean time I have perm residency in CZE so good news the car is my name still. I definately pay my child support ... 250/month. I also maintain the INS. So in 13 years hopefully I can get it to USA. It sucks having to live in US and get to drive once a year when I visit but most importantly I get to see my son.

Thanks for Reading

Wow, hope that works out for you.

Just as a general update for everyone, i have still not received anything in writing as to the decision regarding me exporting the car. At the beginning of this ordeal i assumed exporting it would be as easy as 1-2-3, but its turning out to be questionable at best. I am crossing my fingers that they will allow me to do so.

I talk to the place that is storing the car, they say its there and being moved (dont you mean abused??) around the lot once in a while. Makes me wish i would have taken out the ECU or something so it wouldnt have even started...wasnt thinking at the time.

I realize now that this car is part of something larger than my individual case. It is and probably being held as evidence in a larger case against the original importer. That is the only reason i see why it is taking so long.

Hopefully the gov't has some type of sympathy and take my petition to heart....pray for me, it really sucks paying off a car that you dont have. Where's my bailout!!?? ]]> thomasK(austin) 2009-03-10T12:38:32-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4231202#4231202 damn thomas!! just came accross this, sorry to see bro! hopefully you get this all figured out. Largekid 2008-11-22T17:19:20-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4219143#4219143 I feel your pain!! REad my expereinceI'm form San Jacinto (Shepherd TX) county Texas but lived in europe and while there I bought a 96 GTST TURBO from the UK. Paid 7500GBP cash. I bought it in 2004 and drove it from london through the tunnel across europe into the Czech Republic where I lived and work. Wonderful Experience!!!In late 2006 I wanted to move back to Texas and so had alot of cash with me, coordinated with shipping company and RI from TX and thought this would be enough to ship, change glass, door seats ect. through a RI. It gets to customs and immediately they wanted to crush it and acted like they didnt want to release it so can ship back to EU! I called other RI from other states they didtn want to help at all, Ri companies said they did not deal with skylines unless$$$$. A nightmare! I had complete history from when I bought in UK and got it registered through a DMV like place in Prague. Perfectly street legal car which exceeded EU standards and legalities.I shipped it back to CZE after almost 2 months and they charged me storage!!My RI also changed their attitude and wanted way more money and it was not a garantee. THey say the DOCS I had were Skyline **** over email!! I was enraged. Dont deal with RI in TEXAS unless you want to get burned. I am not saying names. RI thing is a really a govt red tape that pits citizens against each other.Matter in fact the GOVT do not want these cars in the US period!!! I see the folks here who post and I shake my head. They will find a way to take your car and make you spend the dough to get it back. YOu can also thank the idiots who race in heavy traffic and show no regards respect to life which causes the strict rules. The Govt left it up to each port's discretion to decide if a skyline gets in or not. Believe it or not! My opinion is if it gets through then someone had a brother n law or a hook up somewhere. If it is legal then they paid out of the a$$. I think after 25 years they will change the rules somehow to not let them in country. The person is right to say its sad that DHS cant find a real job to do/In the mean time I have perm residency in CZE so good news the car is my name still. I definately pay my child support ... 250/month. I also maintain the INS. So in 13 years hopefully I can get it to USA. It sucks having to live in US and get to drive once a year when I visit but most importantly I get to see my son.Thanks for Reading I'm form San Jacinto (Shepherd TX) county Texas but lived in europe and while there I bought a 96 GTST TURBO from the UK. Paid 7500GBP cash. I bought it in 2004 and drove it from london through the tunnel across europe into the Czech Republic where I lived and work. Wonderful Experience!!!

In late 2006 I wanted to move back to Texas and so had alot of cash with me, coordinated with shipping company and RI from TX and thought this would be enough to ship, change glass, door seats ect. through a RI.

It gets to customs and immediately they wanted to crush it and acted like they didnt want to release it so can ship back to EU! I called other RI from other states they didtn want to help at all, Ri companies said they did not deal with skylines unless$$$$. A nightmare! I had complete history from when I bought in UK and got it registered through a DMV like place in Prague. Perfectly street legal car which exceeded EU standards and legalities.

I shipped it back to CZE after almost 2 months and they charged me storage!!

My RI also changed their attitude and wanted way more money and it was not a garantee. THey say the DOCS I had were Skyline **** over email!! I was enraged. Dont deal with RI in TEXAS unless you want to get burned. I am not saying names. RI thing is a really a govt red tape that pits citizens against each other.

Matter in fact the GOVT do not want these cars in the US period!!! I see the folks here who post and I shake my head. They will find a way to take your car and make you spend the dough to get it back. YOu can also thank the idiots who race in heavy traffic and show no regards respect to life which causes the strict rules.

The Govt left it up to each port's discretion to decide if a skyline gets in or not. Believe it or not! My opinion is if it gets through then someone had a brother n law or a hook up somewhere. If it is legal then they paid out of the a$$.

I think after 25 years they will change the rules somehow to not let them in country. The person is right to say its sad that DHS cant find a real job to do/

In the mean time I have perm residency in CZE so good news the car is my name still. I definately pay my child support ... 250/month. I also maintain the INS. So in 13 years hopefully I can get it to USA. It sucks having to live in US and get to drive once a year when I visit but most importantly I get to see my son.

Thanks for Reading

]]> jav4820 2008-11-18T12:31:38-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4213767#4213767 Im never in here but this is a very interesting story.. My idea if I were you is export it and reimport it and get it back in your hands and get a new vin assigned to it and just lay low for awhile. haha. Like people have posted up, with a new assigned vin number they cant track it. Or totally just get it registed as some other car (swap tags, vin plates etc) but you'd get ****ED if someone found out. Or just get it imported and keep it in your garage So at least you can store it in your hands til 2015. Dont get it registed or anything like that so the feds wont be knocking on your door again. Unless you have to register it when you get it imported back. nissandoms47 2008-11-16T14:18:05-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4213666#4213666 yes we have been planning one for a few months now at deals gapemail me for more infovandrel@skylineownersusa.com email me for more info

vandrel@skylineownersusa.com ]]> Vandrel 2008-11-16T13:20:48-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4213609#4213609 i know it has but i hate seeing unfinished threads lol off topic but has anyone done an east coast skyline meet before elitetuningimports 2008-11-16T12:52:19-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4213223#4213223 all of this has been discussed before and beat to death, infact i'm suprised this thread is still going on. Vandrel 2008-11-16T09:00:07-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4213067#4213067 If the issue was serious enough to warrant a personal meet and greet by homeland security why go that far.......why not add to the negative stigma that is "skyline" and allow dmv's to turn away anyone attempting paperwork with skyline, gtr , nissan, kit car in the same sentence. THAT would be blacklisting. And what about all the other skyline owners.... can they not all speak up everyone has track cars right oh and they are all grandfathered in too right there was a chain of events that led to this seizure i believe. just my .02 cents Also Im new to the forum yes but not the issues. If this was discussed before im sorry. THAT would be blacklisting. And what about all the other skyline owners.... can they not all speak up ? everyone has track cars right ? oh and they are all grandfathered in too right ? there was a chain of events that led to this seizure i believe. just my .02 cents

Also Im new to the forum yes but not the issues. If this was discussed before im sorry. ]]> elitetuningimports 2008-11-16T06:16:01-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=344322;postid=4211399#4211399 The car does not meet Gov standards which is why it is black listed. For the most part they simply don't enforce the rules but it does not mean they won't. Based on your username I would have expected you would know the rules audtatious 2008-11-15T09:13:54-08:00