so this thingy seem to broke... help please (56k get your *** in here)

Kckouki — 2008-06-08T14:20:53-08:00

$298384882 dollers.

Re: (2ndnissan)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-06-08T14:19:15-08:00

how much is it new online

Re: (SketchyRollin564)

2ndnissan — 2008-06-07T19:35:43-08:00

I don't see any difference between my motor and yours in pics. I don't have a parts book though so check with the dealer. For an electrical part from a dealer,I'd expect at least $50 dollars.

Re: (2ndnissan)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-06-07T15:25:55-08:00

That would be sweet, but are they for the s14 or the s13, because im pretty sure the motor is different if the linkage and everything else is different too

how much would it be new? id rather not get a used one, just to have the same problem happen again in a year or two

Re: (Devilstar)

2ndnissan — 2008-06-06T04:43:20-08:00

Auto parts places won't have it. Most don't go that far into a/c=heating. You'll have to go to dealer or go used. Like I said before,I know of 3 of these I could get..all for $10 or less. Would send it for cost plus shipping and test it on my harness first. Shippin wouldn't be much since I'm in central Florida area too..

Devilstar — 2008-06-06T02:41:43-08:00

man the dealership would be my guess.. just call your local one.. or you might get lucky and an autpoarts store might be able to get one, doubt anywhere will have it in stock though.. or go raid a junk yard...

Re: (SketchyRollin564)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-06-05T22:33:37-08:00

anyone?

the thing will move SOMTIMES only when the engine is on

i got it to do it today (and i put my interior back together too), and i just left i like that, so now its at my face and my feet

and so when i dont want it at my face i guess i just point it away

so ill be fine for now, but i still wanna get a new motor so i can defrost when i need to and stuff. where do you get em?

Re: (blacksrjdm)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-06-05T15:13:16-08:00

lol chill with the caps, so i take it since now all im doing is replacing the motor i can put the rest of my interior back together? or is it gonna be easyer with the center stuff still out? im guessing i can put it back together

How much is a new motor at the dealership? or is that not where to get it

Re: (2ndnissan)

blacksrjdm — 2008-06-03T08:35:44-08:00

That is the exact reason, the linkage is fine, I can tell by the pics. REMOVE THE MOTOR AND REPLACE...I WORK AT A NISSAN DEALER AND HAVE BEEN TELLING U TO REMOVE AND REPLACE THE MOTOR FOR A WEEK NOW. I ALSO HAD A SIMILAR PROBLEM. CHANGED THE ACTUATOR, AND EVERYTHING WAS FINE. I KNOW U WANNA LEARN BUT WHEN SOMEONE IS TELLING U EXACTLY WHAT THE PROBLEM IS AND U KEEP LOOKING ELSEWHERE. THATS JUST NOT LEARNING THAT IS JUST PLAIN STUPID.

THE ACTUATOR THAT I SEE VERY CLEARLY IN THE PICTURE IS REMOVED BY TWO SCREWS AND REMOVE THE ONE LINKAGE ATTACHED TO THE ACTUATOR. THEN GET A NEW ONE AND PUT IT BACK...PROBLEM SOLVED.

Re: (SketchyRollin564)

2ndnissan — 2008-06-02T10:59:49-08:00

The motor is just connected to the one rod. Rest of the linkage should just stay in place. The tan lever doesn't come off of the motor(riveted on in my case). There's nothing inside the case to pull out as motor is attached with three screws to the side. Let me know how it goes..

Oh yeah..I tore my motor apart. Tiny electric motor with a shaft on it that has a gear. That turns a series of plastic gears. That in turn moves the lever . Would be possible that gears stripped and caused the inconsistent operation.

Update: I changed my motor today and everything is fine. Sketchy..it's the motor...Bite the bullet. it took me a total of 45 minutes to do this and that included taking the motor off the parts car.

Modified by 2ndnissan at 11:52 AM 6/3/2008

Re: (blacksrjdm)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-06-02T09:19:18-08:00

Alright i wanna try to take the motor out and check the linkage like you did, but i dont see how i can do this on the S14 without taking apart the dash.

S13 might be a bit different (the motor and linkage systems sure look way different)

still gotta find time to go in there and fumble through all the wire clutter and unplug the harness, test the voltage while im at that, and if the voltage is fine, then find out a way to take out the motor and asssembly

edit: yeah, just looked inthere, and it seems impossible to take out with the dash still in-tact, because the motor is connected to soo many different things

i guess i could start unscrewing joints of the linkage, but that totaly kills being able to check for a linkage issue, and plus im not sure i would remember how to put everything back together if i start going this far

how did you get your motor out?

Re: (SketchyRollin564)

blacksrjdm — 2008-06-02T07:10:46-08:00

I think u oughta start by changing the actuator, very common on these. The part # u need is back a few pages...air/mix actuator/motor.

Re: (2ndnissan)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-06-01T23:12:05-08:00

Ahh, i guess that makes sense then

alright sweet, keep me updated, and thanks

Re: (SketchyRollin564)

2ndnissan — 2008-06-01T19:50:52-08:00

You'll get defrost and feet pretty much by default..it's the lowest position. If the motor works AT ALL you get those. The face position causes the motor to push linkage farther and the motor has to work harder. That's why the case on my motor got so hot. I'll let you know how changing the motor affects mine 'cause I had exactly the same symptoms.

Re: (2ndnissan)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-06-01T18:42:53-08:00

yeah i still dont know if its the motor, cause somtimes itl work and somtimes it wont (for the face atleast), but it ALWAYS works for the feet and defrost, so im guesing its probably not the motor

its so confusing

Re: (Devilstar)

2ndnissan — 2008-06-01T16:13:12-08:00

Stiill haven't gotten this fixed?...ok...I got the same problem apparently and a different HVAC unit didn't fix the problem so it's not in the switch. The blend motor is completely able to be taken out and changed without taking apart the dash. You need a phillips screw driver and a stubby phillips screwdriver. After taking the bolts off,you CAREFULLY twist motor off of the rod that is attached to the tan colored lever that is attached to the motor.

I can push buttons all day long with the harness(it's a dark brown plug) connected. Occasionally the tan lever moves. When I took the motor off after just a minute of operation it was screaming hot. This should not be! I have located four of these motors and will be picking up one for mine on Tuesday. Take yours off and test it like I did. Reattach the plug after taking it off and run it through each button. I KNOW my linkage is all ok because you can move it up manually by pushing on the chrome colored part of the linkage. The forward part of the dash is the most upward position the linkage goes to so as the motor weakens it just doesn't push far enough to get the linkage to that position. My linkage in the "defrost " position..

My linkage in the "face" position

Blend motor plug

The dangling rod swings up and to the right towards front of dash..it's the one that was attached to the tan lever and motor...

I would remove the motor first then manually move the levers to completely eliminate the linkage as a problem. Mine will definitely require a motor. Be glad to pick up a motor for you Tuesday if you discover it's the motor.

Modified by 2ndnissan at 4:50 PM 6/1/2008

Modified by 2ndnissan at 4:58 PM 6/1/2008

Devilstar — 2008-05-31T14:33:39-08:00

okay so to answer your orignal question about this picture:

Re: (Devilstar)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-05-30T21:49:03-08:00

Nah its connected, cause it DID move again when i got a new battery. Also, when my dad was pressing the button to make it move, i was looking down there and couldnt see that arm moving.. it was really wierd

Re: (SketchyRollin564)

Devilstar — 2008-05-30T20:47:30-08:00

man it just hit me.. that pic you have, is of the arm that makes the door move i belive.. and it looks like its off track... that might be the cause of the problem... you are going to have to put you man pants on and take this dash apart to fix it most likely

second thought... pay a neighbor kid an otter pop to sit in your pass. seat and push the vent control buttons on the dash... see if the arm highlighted in red moves... then try moving the one highlighted in yellow... they may just need to be reconnected

Re: (SketchyRollin564)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-05-30T14:07:15-08:00

Ok this is gonna sound really fcking dumb, but which harness connects to the air mix door motor? i cant really see any harnesses

part of this is because some ATS security chip thing was installed by the previous owner, and a lot of the wire clutter is located right where the harness for the air mix door would probably be

alot of **** is ziptied together and its really hard to see whats what

theres a pic of mine, anybody know where it is? i was guessing it was the thing on the bottom, but it doesnt look like i can take that out, and i cant see any tabs, which always seem to be on every freaking part on this car

Re: (blacksrjdm)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-05-30T13:49:54-08:00

Quote, originally posted by blacksrjdm raquo;

Dude, put the car back together, take the car to the local Nissan dealer. and pay a qualified technician to fix it. This thread should not be 5 pages long. I understand U want to do it yourself, but, U simply do not have a clue where to start here. Take a step back, swallow your pride, and take it to a dealer.

Yeah i wanted to do that, but there gonna charge me wayyy too much money for it, and i dont have that. and...

what pride? lmao

i wanna fix it because i dont have enough money to pay sombody else to do it, and i guess this would be a good way to teach me basicis of electrical stuff for my car, cause eventually more problems are gonna happen, and itd be great to have a clue what to do on the next ones

everyones gotta start somewhere right?

Re: (sebazztard)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-05-30T13:48:04-08:00

Quote, originally posted by sebazztard raquo;

k, on page 52, it says to unplug the harness going to the door unit and test the points. this is unfortunatly using a multimeter. the first test is to see if you have around 12 v on the first lead. you "may" get away with just using your test lamp on this. if you have power, or if your lamp lights up, then go to step 2, if it doesnt light up check your 7.5 amp fuse on the fuse block. step 2, check the other pin on the same harness for continuity. then we check the push button harness (hvac, heat/ac, etc). unplug that hanress, and test the points indicated in the pic. if we dont have continuity , we have a prob with the harness or the connector. if we do have continuity...go on to next page and this is where i stop spoon feeding, and i hope you catch on by now! lol. its not too difficult, just gotta understand what your reading.

I have a multimeter i borrowed from my dad, so i can use that. What i dont understand is a lot of the vocab or terminolagy or whatever you wanna call it

Its saying Do aproximatley 12 volts exist between air mix door motor harness terminal No. (a + with a circle around it) and body ground?

I have no clue what "No. +" means '

Im guessing by the diagram its the little box on the bottom row, second from left?

And, im gonna take a wild guess that im gonna hold down the negative prob to a ground somewhere?

Whats preventing me from trying a lot of this is just not knowing what some of this stuff means.

If my guesses are right tho, ill go ahead and try that lol.... am i right?

Re: (sebazztard)

blacksrjdm — 2008-05-30T07:25:47-08:00

Re: (SketchyRollin564)

sebazztard — 2008-05-29T21:35:42-08:00

Re: (sebazztard)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-05-29T20:39:41-08:00

i get how to use a multimeter lol, just in the FSM i dont get what its saying on page HA-52. Its saying to put one of the prongs in the harness that goes to the motor, and then the other one in some other thing that i have no clue wtf it is

but im gonna try again to pull that gay *** harness to the switches out and see what i can figure out based on what devilstar is saying

and....

Quote, originally posted by PorkchopExpress raquo;

Send me a email and I will give you my number. Put on some fishnets clear boots and have icecream in hand.

Re: (PorkChopExpress)

sebazztard — 2008-05-29T20:31:48-08:00

rofl. ^ i just got my multimeter in the mail today so while im in the car doing some tests, i'll make a clip just for you, as much as you irritate me with all these questions, the enthusist in me would like to see you figure out whats going on. its really irritating , i understand but dude you gotta learn how to use these tools and use an fsm, or else get use to paying other people to fix your ****. you cant be on here asking a million questions when all you need is a bit of research. look forward to your answers ...lol.

Re: (SketchyRollin564)

PorkChopExpress — 2008-05-29T20:23:25-08:00

I will be down in your area this weekend. Send me a email and I will give you my number. Put on some fishnets clear boots and have icecream in hand.

Re: (motoman399)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-05-29T20:06:57-08:00

nah dude, my school isnt cool enough to offer autoshop, or any classes that can actually benefit you in the real world

i really wish it had it though

and yeah, i know you gotta undo the tabs, but as far as i push em in, and as hard as i try to pull it out, this thing is being a little biiitch

ive done it before so its not like i dont know how to do it.. but im about ready to melt the plastic off with a lighter

Re: (Devilstar)

motoman399 — 2008-05-29T18:09:03-08:00

ya kinda the same story for me. im all the way in cali. dont you have a high school auto shop? or is there another nico member that would me willing to pitch in?

Re: (SketchyRollin564)

Devilstar — 2008-05-29T16:59:43-08:00

most of the plugs have a tab that needs to be undo before they come out....

i hate to say it man but if you dont want to be digging through the dash, maybe its time to vist it the dealership...it would be a different story if i was closer... but i am kinda on the other side of the country

Re: (Devilstar)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-05-29T16:49:12-08:00

well the test light poking through the wires works on the white harness connector plug thing, but on the two black ones, its harder cause there thin

itd be easyer to move it around if i could get the black plugs out. ive gotten em out before a couple times, but for some reason, they do not want to come off this time, i tryed a coupe days ago, and spent like 10 fcking minutes yesterday, and neither of them will come off

idk god really doesnt want me to fix this

Devilstar — 2008-05-29T10:32:36-08:00

yeah wiring diagrams suck to read.... lots of following lines to see where they go and connect too...

Re: (SketchyRollin564)

motoman399 — 2008-05-29T00:03:10-08:00

Quote, originally posted by SketchyRollin564 raquo;

as far as a college class... im only 16 bro lol

i went to my local college and took a class in welding. i became a certified welder when i was only 16. just cause your young doesnt mean you cant go to college classes at night or something...

Quote, originally posted by SketchyRollin564 raquo;

but i really dont understand how to read the wiring diagrams

confuses the hell outta me too.. if i had more time i would try to help you more. but i just started a new job. sorry dude

Re: (Devilstar)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-05-28T20:20:35-08:00

alright the pictures appear to work now, and it makes a lot of sense, so im gonna go try that now

also, before i waste too much time, i have the FSM saved on my computer, but i really dont understand how to read the wiring diagrams. What is it im looking for?

Re: (Devilstar)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-05-28T18:02:56-08:00

Quote, originally posted by Devilstar raquo;

yep, and thats why the end of your test light should be sharp.. to stab through the seathing on it.. dont worry you wont hurt anything.. just becarful.. because it really f'in hurts to poke your finger with those things

the one i have is like a flat head screwdriver at the tip, so id have to use wiere stripper to get beyond the insulation (as far as i know), and i dont wanna do that on every single wire

wierd tho... never knew it was supposed to stab through

edit: just checked again, its a different one thats a flat head, this ones pretty damn pointy, so ill have to check this later on tonight when i get home

Re: (PorkChopExpress)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-05-28T17:58:48-08:00

Quote, originally posted by PorkChopExpress raquo;

wow. Your making my head hurt. Pull the assembly and make sure it works. It may work off and on because there is a dead spot on the armature. If you move the motor the brushes are off the dead spot and it works a again for a little bit. If the assembly works then you have to trace the wires back and make sure there are no broke connectors or dead switches. If that doesn't work I want you to beat your head repeditly agenst your dash untill you get vision of what's wrong

the assembly doesnt seem possible to pull unless i take out the dash, which i definatley do NOT wanna do

and dont get mad, but idk how i can see if theres broken connectors or dead switches

Re: (tonynalli)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-05-28T17:54:25-08:00

Quote, originally posted by tonynalli raquo;

This is by far the stupidest and longest thread i have ever seen. Kid you need to do your own research. Ive seen you ask questions that would get anybody else flamed or banned, i think that people are going easy on you cause your like 14 or something

Chill man, not everybody is born knowing everything. Ive never really needed to know stuff about electricity till now, so im learning everything at once, from knowing not sh*t. Theres not really anywhere i can do research on air mix doors not working

im reading the FSM but theres still things that are a little unclear for both me and me dad, but im trying

how would asking questions about this get other people banned?

Re: (SketchyRollin564)

PorkChopExpress — 2008-05-28T16:51:23-08:00

Re: (tonynalli)

Devilstar — 2008-05-28T16:46:02-08:00

Quote, originally posted by tonynalli raquo;

hes sixteen man... and yeah hes askin question in probably the most dangerous place to do so.... but most of us had someone there to help us local... he might not.. or they may not be available to help...

i know its over played but we were all newbs once

tonynalli — 2008-05-28T16:39:29-08:00

Re: (SketchyRollin564)

Devilstar — 2008-05-28T16:36:45-08:00

Quote, originally posted by SketchyRollin564 raquo;

i already found a working ground, but thats a good place to know

how to i poke the wires tho? not like that, but like when i poke them nothing lights up, but thats because they are insulated with the color thing

Re: (Devilstar)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-05-28T16:31:44-08:00

i already found a working ground, but thats a good place to know

how to i poke the wires tho? not like that, but like when i poke them nothing lights up, but thats because they are insulated with the color thing

Re: (SketchyRollin564)

Devilstar — 2008-05-28T16:23:00-08:00

photo bucket for the lose

here are links in the same order

http://img.photobucket.com/alb...e.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/alb...y.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/alb...t.jpg

Re: (Devilstar)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-05-28T16:17:45-08:00

lol the only pic that worked was the pic of the test light

none of the other ones are showin up

Re: (SketchyRollin564)

Devilstar — 2008-05-28T16:00:15-08:00

yeah so, nobody make funny of the ****y sony head unit.... lol

P.S. somebody owes me a beer lol...

let me know if i can help in any other way man....

EDIT:

okay so i am a little nervous to make sure you are testing right...

this should be similar to your test.. once you get the ground hooked up as shown in the picture... you take the sharp end and stab the wire... make sure you break through the coating on it.. or you wont get a light at all... the metal tip has to touvh the copper on the inside of the wire.. if that makes sense...

Re: (Devilstar)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-05-28T15:49:57-08:00

sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet i love you man!

Re: (SketchyRollin564)

Devilstar — 2008-05-28T15:33:28-08:00

give me like twenty minutes.. i am going to take pictures really quick

okay so i got pictures.. lets start easy:

now this should be what your looking at when you start.

this is where you are going to connect the alligator clip that is on the test lamp ( it should work just fine ) this is under the shift boot..

now just from looking at the back of the controls i can tell that the connector on the left ( not shown in this picture ) is most likely power in and fan controls only.... the wires you need to test are all the one on the two connectors on the right.. follow the slow test method ( i stated above ) and you should hopefully see some results... its a lot of wires... a ton to be honest... if i knew you could ( not being rude, i just know you wouldnt have a clue ) i would recommend looking at the wiring diagram for this out of the....... wait for it..... FSM lt;~ best buddy to any car guy or gal...

this process is going to take you a while... so dont make any plans...

Modified by Devilstar at 3:58 PM 5/28/2008

Re: (SketchyRollin564)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-05-28T15:30:18-08:00

good advice, but what am i hooking the light up to, or keeping the probe in?

idk which of the three plugs for the HVAC goes to the directional switches

but **** im dying to try this now

Devilstar — 2008-05-28T15:24:19-08:00

thats why you dont go to lowes ( i run the elcetrical dept at home.... and those guys are idiots at every lowes i have ever been too ) so i have a good idea of how to help the helpless ( every try and teach people to wire a house and not burn themselfs down so they can save some cash? yeah it sucks )

the test light, while a good idea... doesnt help **** if he is just randomly poking wires...

you need to get really systematic with this man... so get good and comfertable in your inverted gandi postion... pick a singel wire in the hvac control unit.. and make sure the power is on to the car ( IE key is turned to the point where the windows will roll down if its got power windows.. if not... one click before it trys to turn over.. ) and push each control button ( IE feetize.. face-ie, bothie etc etc.. ) and leave it on a single setting for a few seconds.. if no lights.. push the next button down the line.... if you get no light at all for any of the buttons or fan control switch ( just so you know what wire you got poked try all the controls ) move onto the next until you find the one your after...

let me know what you come up with...

Re: (motoman399)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-05-28T13:38:53-08:00

id rather not leave it, im getting my license tommarow and i was really hoping it would have it fixed by then

as far as a college class... im only 16 bro lol

my dads pretty good with this stuff, so hes been helping me a tiny bit when he can, but he thinks its a mechanical problem and not electrical. i still wanna check to see if its an electrical or connection issue first though, cause its not good to take out the motor and put it back together, or get a new one, if its still not gonna work cause of a stupid switch.

he agrees with me that its better to do it ourselves cause the dealer is gonna rape us on this one, and he thinks its cool that im learning and ive already gotten this far

im gonna be persistant on this one, so im still willing to take any advice you guys throw my way, but i really wanna check if its the electrical, but how do i do that?

read a few posts up as far as what ive tried so far with the test light

Re: (SketchyRollin564)

motoman399 — 2008-05-27T21:56:16-08:00

you really need to just leave it for now and take an electrical class at your local college. you need to learn how electricity is transfered to different things. i really suggest it. and im not trying to flame.

Kckouki — 2008-05-27T19:16:01-08:00

Bizump

Re: (SketchyRollin564)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-05-27T18:45:15-08:00

i guess not

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...lated

i watched that video again, and thats pretty much what i did, but how would i know which ones are supposed to have continuity and which arent?

also, how would i do it, if the hvac is plugged in?

Re: (SketchyRollin564)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-05-27T14:10:00-08:00

anyone? now that i got the test light, i can start using it to test stuff (duh), but im kinda clueless on what to test

Re: (SketchyRollin564)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-05-26T18:16:57-08:00

ok well i got a new battery for the car today, started her up for the first time in about two weeks

the air mix door was working again, i was like happy as balls. After five minutes though, it decided it wanted to stop working again. I seriously dont know what the fck to do

i have the test lights, and i found a ground to hook it up to, but i dont know where to check. On the white plug for the HVAC switches, the end two dont light up, so my guess is those are ground?

what else can i check for.

Re: (Kckouki)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-05-25T17:27:00-08:00

cant get on aim man goin to a party lol leaving now

ill check out the FSM tommarow, also i cant get the thing to light up cause i cant find a ground or im not doing it right, anyone got any advice?

Re: (SketchyRollin564)

Kckouki — 2008-05-25T17:03:19-08:00

Quote, originally posted by SketchyRollin564 raquo;

I would be able to use the metal thing that holds the head unit as a ground for the test light, right?

also, i know its a common question, but i searched nico and google for a good 15 minutes and couldnt find it, but does anyone know where i can find a downloadable factory service manual? thanks

http://www.240edge.com/manuals/usdm-cars.html

http://www.240edge.com/manuals/240sx-1995.html

Kckouki — 2008-05-25T17:00:31-08:00

I remember a thread for them somewhere, Ill try and find it.

Get on aim.

Re: (SketchyRollin564)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-05-25T16:54:14-08:00

I would be able to use the metal thing that holds the head unit as a ground for the test light, right?

also, i know its a common question, but i searched nico and google for a good 15 minutes and couldnt find it, but does anyone know where i can find a downloadable factory service manual? thanks

Re: (sebazztard)

SketchyRollin564 — 2008-05-25T15:54:23-08:00

no im just confused cause your saying one thing but hte other dudes sayin the other

either way tho, i picked up a little pack at walmart so its all good

let you know what happens