Sport compact car said differently

Sport compact car is like the road and track for imports, 100% bull****. ]]> assassin7420 2008-05-16T01:29:19-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3653877#3653877 the authentic k's lip wow, I don't think i've ever even seen that thing mounted...must be really rare considering it is over 400 ]]> spooled240 2008-05-16T00:57:26-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3649814#3649814 Quote, originally posted by spooled240 fuk that k's lip, there is no way in hell i'm spending over 400 on a lip...the authentic greddy gracer lip is on ebay for like 230 picked up. It's polyurethane as well and looks awesome. Shipping is crazy though, so you might just want to see if you can pick it up in your area.*edit: you're gonna need a jdm bumper though first, they are actually pretty cheap like 220 +shipping, it's a good deal considering what you are getting. And i sold my usdm front bumper for 125 i know tis why i said its like 200 more for the lip then the bumper. and i dont care im getting that lip dammit Quote, originally posted by spooled240 raquo;fuk that k's lip, there is no way in hell i'm spending over 400 on a lip...the authentic greddy gracer lip is on ebay for like 230 picked up. It's polyurethane as well and looks awesome. Shipping is crazy though, so you might just want to see if you can pick it up in your area.

*edit: you're gonna need a jdm bumper though first, they are actually pretty cheap like 220 +shipping, it's a good deal considering what you are getting. And i sold my usdm front bumper for 125
i know tis why i said its like 200 more for the lip then the bumper. and i dont care im getting that lip dammit ]]> brizanden 2008-05-14T18:41:22-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3649620#3649620 Quote, originally posted by assassin7420 Shimming the hood is actually very functional. It just happens to look like total crap on the S14.Sport compact car said differently Quote, originally posted by assassin7420 raquo;

Shimming the hood is actually very functional. It just happens to look like total crap on the S14.

Sport compact car said differently ]]> s13_maJiK 2008-05-14T17:42:34-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3649580#3649580 fuk that k's lip, there is no way in hell i'm spending over 400 on a lip...the authentic greddy gracer lip is on ebay for like 230 picked up. It's polyurethane as well and looks awesome. Shipping is crazy though, so you might just want to see if you can pick it up in your area.*edit: you're gonna need a jdm bumper though first, they are actually pretty cheap like 220 +shipping, it's a good deal considering what you are getting. And i sold my usdm front bumper for 125 *edit: you're gonna need a jdm bumper though first, they are actually pretty cheap like 220 +shipping, it's a good deal considering what you are getting. And i sold my usdm front bumper for 125 ]]> spooled240 2008-05-14T17:24:37-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3648359#3648359 god ur getting the k's lip. i want one too eventually why is that bish so expensive like almost 200 dollars more then the actual bumper. sofa king retarded brizanden 2008-05-14T09:01:43-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3647703#3647703 Quote, originally posted by Kckouki Looks nice, does need some kind of lip tho, and I think the K's wing would look good on dat biotch.thanks man, I really really want that gracer lip but I wish I had more money I think I'll be patient and just save up for the k's wing and the lip and paint everything at once. I already have the valances on order Quote, originally posted by phanatikz32 yessir! how you been dude hope the car is running as good as its looking been good man, just chillin at the lowes meets of fri nights sometimes, you should come up again..the ka-t is running strong, it just keeps taking the beating. Quote, originally posted by Kckouki raquo;Looks nice, does need some kind of lip tho, and I think the K's wing would look good on dat biotch.

thanks man, I really really want that gracer lip but I wish I had more money I think I'll be patient and just save up for the k's wing and the lip and paint everything at once. lt;I already have the valances on order

Quote, originally posted by phanatikz32 raquo;

yessir! how you been dude? hope the car is running as good as its looking

been good man, just chillin at the lowes meets of fri nights sometimes, you should come up again..the ka-t is running strong, it just keeps taking the beating. ]]> spooled240 2008-05-13T23:12:11-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3647424#3647424 yessir! how you been dude hope the car is running as good as its looking ]]> phanatikz32 2008-05-13T21:30:42-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3646943#3646943 Looks nice, does need some kind of lip tho, and I think the K's wing would look good on dat biotch. Kckouki 2008-05-13T18:52:48-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3646684#3646684 yeah man on the canyon run right I remember you..white z32 with sportmax 006's :D spooled240 2008-05-13T17:20:38-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3646119#3646119 dude i remember your KA-T didn't i run with you up in victorville a few weeks ago phanatikz32 2008-05-13T13:08:18-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3646051#3646051 Sry my internet doesnt work to well sometimes. W/e. I cant move on because every time I see this thread I want to smack someone threw the computer. Not trying to be an "e-thug". Thats just how I feel. I guess you guys are just used to seeing ppl do stupid **** to their cars that you acuse some modifications that have good intentions of being stupid Modified by KLYPH at 1:38 PM 5/13/2008
Modified by KLYPH at 1:38 PM 5/13/2008 ]]> KLYPH 2008-05-13T12:43:51-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3645950#3645950 Quote, originally posted by Darkness and Light Well thats the point, the movement of the tissues would settle the whole issue on what the air is doing, getting sucked into the engine bay or if air is going out. Best of all anyone who disagrees one way or the other is free to try it out for themselves which will help take care of the e-thugs and benchracers.I actually don't know specifically what will happen with a propped up hood, only one way to find out. true, i'm curious myself.. Quote, originally posted by Darkness and Light raquo;Well thats the point, the movement of the tissues would settle the whole issue on what the air is doing, getting sucked into the engine bay or if air is going out. Best of all anyone who disagrees one way or the other is free to try it out for themselves which will help take care of the e-thugs and benchracers.

I actually don't know specifically what will happen with a propped up hood, only one way to find out.

true, i'm curious myself.. ]]> spooled240 2008-05-13T12:01:40-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3645603#3645603 Good suggestion. I was going to say the same thing but I do not think tissue paper will hold up. To me it really doesnt matter. From driving a convertable with the top down every day and holes in various places inside the car(lol) I know how the air flows around my car and everyone who claimed "science" to be there reasoning for why air would get sucked in sounds like a tool to me. KLYPH 2008-05-13T09:55:21-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3645215#3645215 Well thats the point, the movement of the tissues would settle the whole issue on what the air is doing, getting sucked into the engine bay or if air is going out. Best of all anyone who disagrees one way or the other is free to try it out for themselves which will help take care of the e-thugs and benchracers.I actually don't know specifically what will happen with a propped up hood, only one way to find out. I actually don't know specifically what will happen with a propped up hood, only one way to find out. ]]> Darkness and Light 2008-05-13T05:47:16-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3645154#3645154 Quote, originally posted by Darkness and Light C'mon guys lets make it easy. Get a tissue and tear it into tiny 1" strips and scotch tape it at different points by the back edge of the hood. Drive up to speed and we'll see what happens to the tissue. A few stray threads would also work. wouldn't the threads just blow straight back and up the windshield Kinda like how the air would escape I would imagine.. Quote, originally posted by Darkness and Light raquo;C'mon guys lets make it easy. Get a tissue and tear it into tiny 1" strips and scotch tape it at different points by the back edge of the hood. Drive up to speed and we'll see what happens to the tissue. A few stray threads would also work.

wouldn't the threads just blow straight back and up the windshield? lt;Kinda like how the air would escape I would imagine.. ]]> spooled240 2008-05-13T03:47:04-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3645141#3645141 Quote, originally posted by KLYPH blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahop fixed his car, it looks sexy again.we've moved on.you should too. Quote, originally posted by KLYPH raquo;blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah

op fixed his car, it looks sexy again.

we've moved on.

you should too. ]]> coreansurfer 2008-05-13T03:12:12-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3645089#3645089 C'mon guys lets make it easy. Get a tissue and tear it into tiny 1" strips and scotch tape it at different points by the back edge of the hood. Drive up to speed and we'll see what happens to the tissue. A few stray threads would also work. Darkness and Light 2008-05-13T01:48:39-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3645007#3645007 It would take too long to quote all the ppl that failed in this thread but I will try to make it short. Front lips are very funtional.. That is a fact, unless it flexes(no sh*t). This paragraph is useless information. FuntionForm. My car is completely gutted. no backseat, no door panels, no carpet, no radio no speakers, I do have A/C(funtion if you live in South Florida) because I have a vert with a leaky top and Nissan Factory speakers blow anyways, I do not have the door panels out to make my car lighter, Its just my vert door panels are gross and warped but I have some fresh ones that look so CLEAN that I am going to put in when I cut off the door pillars. I threw the backseat out because it smelt like cat piss the day I bought the car. Vented hoods do let hot air escape. For about 4 days before I swaped to 5 speed I drove with the hole cut out for the clutch slave and there was hot air pressure coming out from the hole. Allot of pressure. I also drive all day with my top down and no bolts holding the rubber shift boot down. Hot air is constantly blowing out of the tunnel with enough force to push the shift boot way up. Just the other day it was in the uper 90's down here so i put the top up. I have no headliner. When the top is up there is absolutely no pressure coming out of the tunnel. That is because with the top up the air has nowhere to go. I am also missing the front most bracket that is supposed to keep the top up and not allow water to pool on top of the car. When I am at a stop with the A/C on full blast you would think that there is enough pressure to keep it up but there isnt. only when I get above 20 mph the top just balloons up. Think about how much air you feel from the fan when the hood is up and you are reving the engine. Think of how much air actually goes threw the engine bay when the car is running. When you open the vent in your hartop and you feel more air flowing threw the car is that because it is coming in or out threw the vent Im a chevy guy before I am a Nissan guy so dont bring the BS about cowl hoods because that is not the same. A good cowl hood that would have came from the factory on a muscle car will channel the air directly to the air filter. Raising the hood is going to make a lot of space for a lot of air to leave. None of this may make any sence to you but if you read it all thank you and if you didnt and all you have to do is complain the I dont care. This paragraph is useless information. Funtiongt;Form. My car is completely gutted. no backseat, no door panels, no carpet, no radio no speakers, I do have A/C(funtion if you live in South Florida) because I have a vert with a leaky top and Nissan Factory speakers blow anyways, I do not have the door panels out to make my car lighter, Its just my vert door panels are gross and warped but I have some fresh ones that look so CLEAN that I am going to put in when I cut off the door pillars. I threw the backseat out because it smelt like cat piss the day I bought the car.
Vented hoods do let hot air escape. For about 4 days before I swaped to 5 speed I drove with the hole cut out for the clutch slave and there was hot air pressure coming out from the hole. Allot of pressure. I also drive all day with my top down and no bolts holding the rubber shift boot down. Hot air is constantly blowing out of the tunnel with enough force to push the shift boot way up. Just the other day it was in the uper 90's down here so i put the top up. I have no headliner. When the top is up there is absolutely no pressure coming out of the tunnel. That is because with the top up the air has nowhere to go. I am also missing the front most bracket that is supposed to keep the top up and not allow water to pool on top of the car. When I am at a stop with the A/C on full blast you would think that there is enough pressure to keep it up but there isnt. only when I get above 20 mph the top just balloons up. Think about how much air you feel from the fan when the hood is up and you are reving the engine. Think of how much air actually goes threw the engine bay when the car is running. When you open the vent in your hartop and you feel more air flowing threw the car is that because it is coming in or out threw the vent?? Im a chevy guy before I am a Nissan guy so dont bring the BS about cowl hoods because that is not the same. A good cowl hood that would have came from the factory on a muscle car will channel the air directly to the air filter. Raising the hood is going to make a lot of space for a lot of air to leave.
None of this may make any sence to you but if you read it all thank you and if you didnt and all you have to do is complain the I dont care. ]]> KLYPH 2008-05-13T00:49:07-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3644936#3644936 Lips that are slanted forward like some of the gracer lips, may have less drag but still carry out their function and improve mileage.a lip will improve handling too, I saw an episode of "Topgear" on BBC where their race beamer lost the front lip and the front wheels were skidding around the turns..I think anything that will keep the air out from under the car can be classified as a functional lip, and a HD lip that won't bend back at high speeds can do just that IMO.BTW, the car is back to normal: I applied some bondo on the holes and dabbed some leftover paint I had from painting my bumpers and sideskirts and it looks great-no one will never be able to tell that there were holes there unless they were 6 inches away. OEM never looked so good! a lip will improve handling too, I saw an episode of "Topgear" on BBC where their race beamer lost the front lip and the front wheels were skidding around the turns..I think anything that will keep the air out from under the car can be classified as a functional lip, and a HD lip that won't bend back at high speeds can do just that IMO.

BTW, the car is back to normal: I applied some bondo on the holes and dabbed some leftover paint I had from painting my bumpers and sideskirts and it looks great-no one will never be able to tell that there were holes there unless they were 6 inches away. OEM never looked so good! ]]> spooled240 2008-05-13T00:04:31-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3642112#3642112 I would like to point out that the article cited is from the 70s. A lot of research has gone into aerodynamics since then. First, the front end on modern cars are streamlined compared to the 70s so more air is able to take a the path of lower resistance over the top of the car. Second, modern cars have their underside streamlined and air passing beneath it is far less turbulent. Aerodynamic drag increases quadratically. As an example lets assume that at 60 mph there is 25 mph there is a pressure of 25 psi. At 120 mph there is a pressure of 100 psi. Going back down to 30 mph, pressure is reduced to 6.25 psi. Even a slight reduction of speed drastically reduces the effect of aerodynamics.They saw a 3 mpg gain from all their mods driving at 70 mph, about 0.75 mpg gain from the lip. The average speed of a daily driven car would be far less. If we were to assume that a 240SX would get the full benefit of the gain and the driver drove at 70 mph at all times, based on the 15 gallon (or so) tank on a 240SX we would see a gain of about 11.25 miles per tank, a savings of about $1.60 with a base 28 mpg and $4.00 gas.Realistically the OP will probably see a $0.20-30 savings per tank assuming the lip works perfectly. In a few years the OP might actually break even on the HD lip. Modified by Darkness and Light at 1:56 AM 5/12/2008 Aerodynamic drag increases quadratically. As an example lets assume that at 60 mph there is 25 mph there is a pressure of 25 psi. At 120 mph there is a pressure of 100 psi. Going back down to 30 mph, pressure is reduced to 6.25 psi. Even a slight reduction of speed drastically reduces the effect of aerodynamics.

They saw a 3 mpg gain from all their mods driving at 70 mph, about 0.75 mpg gain from the lip. The average speed of a daily driven car would be far less. If we were to assume that a 240SX would get the full benefit of the gain and the driver drove at 70 mph at all times, based on the 15 gallon (or so) tank on a 240SX we would see a gain of about 11.25 miles per tank, a savings of about $1.60 with a base 28 mpg and $4.00 gas.

Realistically the OP will probably see a $0.20-30 savings per tank assuming the lip works perfectly. In a few years the OP might actually break even on the HD lip.

Modified by Darkness and Light at 1:56 AM 5/12/2008 ]]> Darkness and Light 2008-05-12T03:29:53-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3638247#3638247 Quote, originally posted by Darkness and Light To get any practical effect out of it you have to be traveling in excess of 70 mph. On the downside you are increasing the frontal cross-section of the car, increasing total drag. In other words you are decreasing your gas efficiency. Cars are all shaped different, so there's no set speed that the lip will be functional at. For most cars, gas wind resistance become a factor at 55-60mph. Also, look through the article I posted on an earlier page...A lip accounted for 25% of the gas savings in the tests they did. So it will actually help gas mileage, you're not changing the front area really, but the decreased air under the vehicle helps out much more than any minor increase in surface area. It's kind of like when you supercharge, it's a parasitic drain on the engine...but the charger produces way more power than the drain. Quote, originally posted by Darkness and Light raquo;To get any practical effect out of it you have to be traveling in excess of 70 mph. On the downside you are increasing the frontal cross-section of the car, increasing total drag. In other words you are decreasing your gas efficiency.

Cars are all shaped different, so there's no set speed that the lip will be functional at. For most cars, gas wind resistance become a factor at 55-60mph. Also, look through the article I posted on an earlier page...A lip accounted for 25% of the gas savings in the tests they did. So it will actually help gas mileage, you're not changing the front area really, but the decreased air under the vehicle helps out much more than any minor increase in surface area. It's kind of like when you supercharge, it's a parasitic drain on the engine...but the charger produces way more power than the drain. ]]> ken240sx 2008-05-10T11:13:57-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3637939#3637939 I'm planning on a HD lip for my zenki S14 and my 93 fastback with a few differences. Both my cars came with lip spoilers but both are very heavily damaged, and look pretty bad. I picked up strips of 2" vinyl floor molding that I've test fitted to the bumper and they actually fit fairly well. I'm working on making wooden spacers to give it structure to brace between the old lip and the vinyl and a back plate to give the vinyl more surface area to adhere to. When its done it should be a pretty solid piece that will look very close to the original lip.I wouldn't count of it for much though. Lip spoilers do reduce the amount of air passing below the car increasing downforce, but it is a function of velocity. To get any practical effect out of it you have to be traveling in excess of 70 mph. On the downside you are increasing the frontal cross-section of the car, increasing total drag. In other words you are decreasing your gas efficiency.Personally if I were you I would have made mounting brackets and attached the HD lip below the bumper so I wouldn't have to drill holes in it. I wouldn't count of it for much though. Lip spoilers do reduce the amount of air passing below the car increasing downforce, but it is a function of velocity. To get any practical effect out of it you have to be traveling in excess of 70 mph. On the downside you are increasing the frontal cross-section of the car, increasing total drag. In other words you are decreasing your gas efficiency.

Personally if I were you I would have made mounting brackets and attached the HD lip below the bumper so I wouldn't have to drill holes in it. ]]> Darkness and Light 2008-05-10T07:21:38-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3634811#3634811 nope they are just there to be sexy, but don't bother looking for them, they were super rare 2 years ago, and now they are impossible to find, i've been looking for more than a year for a set. coreansurfer 2008-05-08T22:54:39-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3634768#3634768 Quote, originally posted by brizanden haha im thinkin of tryin to get the silver rings off a set of miata guages to put around mine for now cause they look sickhell yeah man, that would look classy and sporty at the same time Quote, originally posted by coreansurfer gracer lip is awesomeall you need is some zenki skirtsand itll look like my old car ah yeah there we go...dammit! I already spent time and money installing some kouki skirts! I wish I had the zenki skirts now they match the rear valances and the lip puuuurrfect...your car is beautiful man, I wanna lick it same look i'm goin for: stock silvia aero with a few tasteful mods like teh gracer lip. BTW, do those fog light delete "turn signal extensions" or w/e u call it...do they light up Quote, originally posted by brizanden raquo;haha im thinkin of tryin to get the silver rings off a set of miata guages to put around mine for now cause they look sick

hell yeah man, that would look classy and sporty at the same time

Quote, originally posted by coreansurfer raquo;

gracer lip is awesome all you need is some zenki skirts and itll look like my old car

ah yeah there we go...dammit! I already spent time and money installing some kouki skirts! I wish I had the zenki skirts now they match the rear valances and the lip puuuurrfect...

your car is beautiful man, I wanna lick it same look i'm goin for: stock silvia aero with a few tasteful mods like teh gracer lip. BTW, do those fog light delete "turn signal extensions" or w/e u call it...do they light up? ]]> spooled240 2008-05-08T22:40:53-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3634590#3634590 Quote, originally posted by ca18detgabby My point was with the vents is that...... in reality none of it is really all that effectivespecially if this guy can get away with a stock hood. venting is a bit silly when it screws up the natural flow of air over the engine to begin with. Where a running engine gets hot or not..... hell you can go to the junkyard and pick up an oil cooler off a truck and achive much much better performance for at or around 20 bucks.....That's a drag car, he runs for a whopping 10 seconds down the track... Quote, originally posted by ca18detgabby raquo;

My point was with the vents is that...... in reality none of it is really all that effective

specially if this guy can get away with a stock hood. venting is a bit silly when it screws up the natural flow of air over the engine to begin with. Where a running engine gets hot or not..... hell you can go to the junkyard and pick up an oil cooler off a truck and achive much much better performance for at or around 20 bucks.....

That's a drag car, he runs for a whopping 10 seconds down the track... ]]> dstrcto 2008-05-08T21:45:35-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3634220#3634220 gracer lip is awesomeall you need is some zenki skirtsand itll look like my old car all you need is some zenki skirts

and itll look like my old car

]]> coreansurfer 2008-05-08T19:32:32-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3634108#3634108 haha im thinkin of tryin to get the silver rings off a set of miata guages to put around mine for now cause they look sick ]]> brizanden 2008-05-08T18:59:25-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3633982#3633982 Quote, originally posted by apollas rofl this thread is so great."my hood and lip is crazy cool and functional""no its not""yes it is""(technical crap)""(more technical crap)""i think you guys are right""hope u learn your lesson" O please-I agreed to SOME of the things that were mentioned like the lip being non-functional if bent back all the way but i do think the hood prop idea works. I honestly believe that driving at 60mph with a propped hood will vent a lot of hot air from the back and the sides of the hood, as the air is blasting through the front of the radiator.dstrcto's input was EXACTLY what I was talking about earlier with the lip and hood, I agree with him 100%. I did take into consideration everyone else's opinions but we will all have our different opinions on the matter and we'll just keep it that way.I took off that HD lip and lowered my hood to stock, it just kinda grew on me that the mods were looking like crap. But i'm picking up the Gracer lip (on the white kouki above) tommorrow so that's the end of that.Quote, originally posted by brizanden hey do u have a base noticed u have black guages.yep base model. I like the black gauges better tho anyway Quote, originally posted by apollas raquo;rofl this thread is so great.

"my hood and lip is crazy cool and functional"
"no its not"
"yes it is"
"(technical crap)"
"(more technical crap)"
"i think you guys are right"
"hope u learn your lesson"

O please-I agreed to SOME of the things that were mentioned like the lip being non-functional if bent back all the way but i do think the hood prop idea works. I honestly believe that driving at 60mph with a propped hood will vent a lot of hot air from the back and the sides of the hood, as the air is blasting through the front of the radiator.

dstrcto's input was EXACTLY what I was talking about earlier with the lip and hood, I agree with him 100%. I did take into consideration everyone else's opinions but we will all have our different opinions on the matter and we'll just keep it that way.

I took off that HD lip and lowered my hood to stock, it just kinda grew on me that the mods were looking like crap. But i'm picking up the Gracer lip (on the white kouki above) tommorrow so that's the end of that.

Quote, originally posted by brizanden raquo;

hey do u have a base? noticed u have black guages.

yep base model. I like the black gauges better tho anyway ]]> spooled240 2008-05-08T17:40:39-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3633338#3633338 Quote, originally posted by tonynalli Honestly that looks horrible, and extremely ricey. if i'm not mistaken look like you have some autozone or walmart fog light.ahha Quote, originally posted by tonynalli raquo;Honestly that looks horrible, and extremely ricey.

if i'm not mistaken look like you have some autozone or walmart fog light.ahha ]]> i240sx 2008-05-08T13:57:36-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3632290#3632290 hey do u have a base noticed u have black guages. brizanden 2008-05-08T08:45:01-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3632187#3632187 Quote, originally posted by dstrcto I think you meant to say inertia from the static air that just happens to be sitting in front of the car when you start to drive, which will be a negligible amount. That's like saying it's harder to START walking cuz you're wearing a big coat.yepeven if it flexes 45 degrees it's still lower in front than it was previously blocking some air from entering below the car. I can see where you're coming from though, thinking it would "wedge" air under the car, but I think the path of least resistance in this case would still be around the sides of the car.it is least resistance, but a cobalt SS spoiler still flaps in the wind at 70MPH and least resistance for that still would be over or under or around. if it scooped air toward the radiator or IC it would be one thing.....You are correct, the lower pressure would pull out air from the below the hood through the sprayer holes, but cmon... those holes are tiny, they wouldn't be that effective at all.far more effective then exposing a turbo to water.Modified by dstrcto at 4:45 AM 5/8/2008My point was with the vents is that...... in reality none of it is really all that effectivespecially if this guy can get away with a stock hood. venting is a bit silly when it screws up the natural flow of air over the engine to begin with. Where a running engine gets hot or not..... hell you can go to the junkyard and pick up an oil cooler off a truck and achive much much better performance for at or around 20 bucks..... Quote, originally posted by dstrcto raquo;

I think you meant to say inertia from the static air that just happens to be sitting in front of the car when you start to drive, which will be a negligible amount. That's like saying it's harder to START walking cuz you're wearing a big coat.
yep

even if it flexes 45 degrees it's still lower in front than it was previously blocking some air from entering below the car. I can see where you're coming from though, thinking it would "wedge" air under the car, but I think the path of least resistance in this case would still be around the sides of the car.
it is least resistance, but a cobalt SS spoiler still flaps in the wind at 70MPH and least resistance for that still would be over or under or around. if it scooped air toward the radiator or IC it would be one thing.....

You are correct, the lower pressure would pull out air from the below the hood through the sprayer holes, but cmon... those holes are tiny, they wouldn't be that effective at all.
far more effective then exposing a turbo to water.

Modified by dstrcto at 4:45 AM 5/8/2008

My point was with the vents is that...... in reality none of it is really all that effective

specially if this guy can get away with a stock hood. venting is a bit silly when it screws up the natural flow of air over the engine to begin with. Where a running engine gets hot or not..... hell you can go to the junkyard and pick up an oil cooler off a truck and achive much much better performance for at or around 20 bucks..... ]]> ca18detgabby 2008-05-08T08:12:36-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3631892#3631892 rofl this thread is so great."my hood and lip is crazy cool and functional""no its not""yes it is""(technical crap)""(more technical crap)""i think you guys are right""hope u learn your lesson" "my hood and lip is crazy cool and functional"
"no its not"
"yes it is"
"(technical crap)"
"(more technical crap)"
"i think you guys are right"
"hope u learn your lesson"

]]> apollas 2008-05-08T03:17:24-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3631878#3631878 I'm gonna jump in here way late and 'splain some stuff:First off, the faster air moves, the lower pressure it has.Second, as the volume of a set amount of gas increases, the pressure decreases.I could see the hood prop thing working to suck air out, because of the faster moving, lower pressure air moving over the back of the hood and up the windshield. For example, next time you have a soda with a straw in it, blow across the top of the straw and the liquid will rise up the straw. I could see propping the hood high enough or using a cowl-design to induce a swirl behind the propped hood, underneath the flow of air headed up the windshield, possible forcing some fresh air down to the engine and the engine vacuum doing the rest of the work. I think a wind tunnel test on this would be awesome.The lip-kit theory is supposed to make the front of the car lower than the rear of the car aerodynamically. Since only a fixed amount of gas is entering underneath the front, as it approaches the rear of the car it has to expand to fill the greater amount of space between the road surface and the bottom of the car, thereby creating a lower pressure zone and helping the car stick to the road. If sideskirts were utilized I could see this possibly working, if the front were sturdy enough to withstand highway speed winds. A perfect example would be NASCAR racers, note the lack of a rear valence.Everyone has their own opinion, but R&D looks cheap sometimes, if no one did anything different we'd still be walking everywhere. And I hate doing this, but there are several things wrong with this post:Quote, originally posted by ca18detgabby -LIPif it is even minorly fuctional in stopping air from traveling under the car it would increase the force on the front of the car from an initial stop as now the force of gravity has a larger surface to push against.I think you meant to say inertia from the static air that just happens to be sitting in front of the car when you start to drive, which will be a negligible amount. That's like saying it's harder to START walking cuz you're wearing a big coat.Quote, originally posted by ca18detgabby If it folds in anyway(which it clearly is doing even at a stop with its ugly ripples) then it will not maintain a constant flow of air over or under it and create turbulance. enough flexing and it could cause the front end to Lift instead. as intead of being l the flex has caused it to / and force going - will create lift.even if it flexes 45 degrees it's still lower in front than it was previously blocking some air from entering below the car. I can see where you're coming from though, thinking it would "wedge" air under the car, but I think the path of least resistance in this case would still be around the sides of the car.Quote, originally posted by ca18detgabby -hood propif it does vent hot air, wouldnt a flush hood w/o washer sprayers do almost the same thing. getting any water on their(special on your ebay turbo setup) is going to be a reall bad idea real quick. it still doesnt vent at a point under load(maybe under 10MPH) and in reality I can do the same thing taking my hood off at the track.You are correct, the lower pressure would pull out air from the below the hood through the sprayer holes, but cmon... those holes are tiny, they wouldn't be that effective at all.Sorry for picking on you, those things just stood out for some reason. Modified by dstrcto at 4:45 AM 5/8/2008 First off, the faster air moves, the lower pressure it has.

Second, as the volume of a set amount of gas increases, the pressure decreases.

I could see the hood prop thing working to suck air out, because of the faster moving, lower pressure air moving over the back of the hood and up the windshield. For example, next time you have a soda with a straw in it, blow across the top of the straw and the liquid will rise up the straw. I could see propping the hood high enough or using a cowl-design to induce a swirl behind the propped hood, underneath the flow of air headed up the windshield, possible forcing some fresh air down to the engine and the engine vacuum doing the rest of the work. I think a wind tunnel test on this would be awesome.

The lip-kit theory is supposed to make the front of the car lower than the rear of the car aerodynamically. Since only a fixed amount of gas is entering underneath the front, as it approaches the rear of the car it has to expand to fill the greater amount of space between the road surface and the bottom of the car, thereby creating a lower pressure zone and helping the car stick to the road. If sideskirts were utilized I could see this possibly working, if the front were sturdy enough to withstand highway speed winds. A perfect example would be NASCAR racers, note the lack of a rear valence.

Everyone has their own opinion, but RD looks cheap sometimes, if no one did anything different we'd still be walking everywhere.

And I hate doing this, but there are several things wrong with this post:

Quote, originally posted by ca18detgabby raquo;

-LIP if it is even minorly fuctional in stopping air from traveling under the car it would increase the force on the front of the car from an initial stop as now the force of gravity has a larger surface to push against.

I think you meant to say inertia from the static air that just happens to be sitting in front of the car when you start to drive, which will be a negligible amount. That's like saying it's harder to START walking cuz you're wearing a big coat.

Quote, originally posted by ca18detgabby raquo;

If it folds in anyway(which it clearly is doing even at a stop with its ugly ripples) then it will not maintain a constant flow of air over or under it and create turbulance. enough flexing and it could cause the front end to Lift instead. as intead of being l the flex has caused it to / and force going lt;- will create lift.

even if it flexes 45 degrees it's still lower in front than it was previously blocking some air from entering below the car. I can see where you're coming from though, thinking it would "wedge" air under the car, but I think the path of least resistance in this case would still be around the sides of the car.

Quote, originally posted by ca18detgabby raquo;

-hood prop if it does vent hot air, wouldnt a flush hood w/o washer sprayers do almost the same thing. getting any water on their(special on your ebay turbo setup) is going to be a reall bad idea real quick. it still doesnt vent at a point under load(maybe under 10MPH) and in reality I can do the same thing taking my hood off at the track.

You are correct, the lower pressure would pull out air from the below the hood through the sprayer holes, but cmon... those holes are tiny, they wouldn't be that effective at all.

Sorry for picking on you, those things just stood out for some reason.

Modified by dstrcto at 4:45 AM 5/8/2008 ]]> dstrcto 2008-05-08T02:32:53-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3631815#3631815 that ebay lip looks ok...it seems the jdm kouki bumpers don't really have a "noticeable" lip even if you put one on unlike the zenkis...maybe in person it'll be different. ThuG LyFe 2008-05-08T01:37:51-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3631732#3631732 what is life without some experimenting once in a while Sometimes you never know what you'll end up with whether it's good or bad.I e-mailed the guy and he said he could hook me up I just gotta call tomorrow when they are open so they can check if they have it in stock.Quote, originally posted by maroon240 It makes it look like a jgtc car I was thinking about the gracer lipI thought this shineautoproject lip was the greddy replica but I think they are a little different...the shineauto lip kinda rounds off at the bottom of he main center opening on the bumper. The greddy one looks kick *** but I still like the one shineauto makes. EDIT: this is a c-west lip replica, not the greddy.c-west lip: I e-mailed the guy and he said he could hook me up I just gotta call tomorrow when they are open so they can check if they have it in stock.

Quote, originally posted by maroon240 raquo;

It makes it look like a jgtc car I was thinking about the gracer lip

I thought this shineautoproject lip was the greddy replica but I think they are a little different...the shineauto lip kinda rounds off at the bottom of he main center opening on the bumper. The greddy one looks kick *** but I still like the one shineauto makes.

EDIT: this is a c-west lip replica, not the greddy.
c-west lip:
]]> spooled240 2008-05-08T00:34:50-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3631627#3631627 No problemo man live and learn. at least you tried to see if you would like it. live and learn. at least you tried to see if you would like it. ]]> koukicody 2008-05-07T23:41:23-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3630562#3630562 thanks guys I get paid this friday so I will most likely try to pick that up. The Kouki jdm wing will have to wait but my rear valances are on a 1 month backorder anyway and I want to paint everything at once to get the match shade of red. I might just mount the lip w/out paint for a while we'll see how that goes.koukicody, i must have missed your post but thanks for the link/number. I am bummed bout the holes but that lip should cover it up... koukicody, i must have missed your post but thanks for the link/number. I am bummed bout the holes but that lip should cover it up... ]]> spooled240 2008-05-07T17:51:44-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3630554#3630554 well, i learned a lot by reading this thread hahai never woulda thought the cowl hood created an intake, but now i see how it workseven if the lip was held by L brackets, it wouldnt be helping you out. Sure it would pervent some air from going underneath the car, but it would just create an *** load of drag cause of how tall it is, and the flat shapeyou already messed up your bumper, so you can try http://forums.nicoclub.com/zer...age=1 the diamond loc lip, which looks a LOT nicer, or you can shoot for the ebay oneif your getting the ebay one though, it might look a bit off with 16" OEM wheelseither way though, good to see your fixing it up, and good luck with whatever you do next i never woulda thought the cowl hood created an intake, but now i see how it works

even if the lip was held by L brackets, it wouldnt be helping you out. Sure it would pervent some air from going underneath the car, but it would just create an *** load of drag cause of how tall it is, and the flat shape

you already messed up your bumper, so you can try http://forums.nicoclub.com/zer...age=1 the diamond loc lip, which looks a LOT nicer, or you can shoot for the ebay one

if your getting the ebay one though, it might look a bit off with 16" OEM wheels

either way though, good to see your fixing it up, and good luck with whatever you do next ]]> SketchyRollin564 2008-05-07T17:48:39-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3630544#3630544 That lip on ebay looks much better. Even if you don't paint it for a while it's still going to look nice. Tons of people don't paint their lips, so it won't be hated on too much. Yes it may suck if it got scuffed up, but still it would be a nicer addition. ken240sx 2008-05-07T17:45:42-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3630460#3630460 I have to agree with 90% of everyone else on the thread and say the hood lift looks horrible, but thats my opinion. The lip you currently have looks like $20....stock was better. The lip in the ebay link actually i think looks very nice. A lot of people on these forums will call you a ricer just from typing ebay on your keyboard, but we know all of them have bought something from ebay before! If you want cooling then install a heat deflector or heat wrap in that area. You could put some nice lookings cuts in your fender and mesh them up, this will take some time and precision though. Good luck! ]]> Space Monkey 2008-05-07T17:15:05-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3630444#3630444 Thats the one i posted in this thread earlier.yes, it will cover all those holes. Call them and ask how much it would be picked up. there number is (909) 773-0820 yes, it will cover all those holes. Call them and ask how much it would be picked up. there number is (909) 773-0820 ]]> koukicody 2008-05-07T17:11:29-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3630442#3630442 love the lip nice job, i have the same little hood ventilation trick on my s-13 and it works and looks good koodos uselesswingsr4penguins 2008-05-07T17:11:18-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3630418#3630418 I'm seriously debating this lip, not too much and I can pick up http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...op:uswhat do you guys think Least this will cover those holes

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...op:us

what do you guys think? Least this will cover those holes ]]> spooled240 2008-05-07T17:03:29-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3630372#3630372 i thought about that also, but I have no clue if it will fit.I'd like to get the OEM jdm lip but its like 300ish but it will cover them holes up.yeah this **** is gonna come off soon, looks more low budge than ricer/race/etc. interesting for ****s and giggles tho I'd like to get the OEM jdm lip but its like 300ish but it will cover them holes up.

yeah this **** is gonna come off soon, looks more low budge than ricer/race/etc. interesting for ****s and giggles tho ]]> spooled240 2008-05-07T16:42:54-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3630358#3630358 glad to see ur fixing up ur errors. that glacier lip would look amazing but i'm sure it's $$$. the ripples do suck and i hope u take it off b/c it's like putting on a piece of plastic on the zenki navan bumper. btw i doubt it but u think a oem zenki lip would fit that wouldn't look too bad btw i doubt it but u think a oem zenki lip would fit? that wouldn't look too bad ]]> ThuG LyFe 2008-05-07T16:38:13-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3630331#3630331 Quote, originally posted by otterman No you shouldn't have. I don't got time to answer all your dumb questions.you sure have time to make a dumb post Quote, originally posted by Clawhammer Because the people with at least half a brain have spent the last 2 pages talking about how the hood prop pulls air in and only vents it when you're sitting still. I'm sorry your 3rd grade reading level has not been able to pick up on that.We're not driving F1 cars or anything here. All this talk about under car turbulance and such is BS. In the grand scheme of things your lip really isn't doing anything. I put a pignose lip on my car for the look, not because I live in a fantasy land where I think a 3" piece of plastic is making my street car handle better. Maybe the reason you feel you have to justify your lip with a function is because you stapled a piece of garden trim to your bumperOk, first of all can we keep the insults to a minimum, and give me a little more constructive criticism Calling me a 3rd grader without a brain doesn't help me and just makes you look immature. I'm in college and I can read just fine. I agree with you guys how the lip will not be beneficial when it's bent back where it will just make matters worst..I just think it will keep air out of the bottom of the car at high speeds if it doesn't bend back with the support of an oem lip behind it or L-brackets, etc. Yeah we don't drive F1 cars on here but we still run 10 inch wide wheels and racing coilovers for DD right Same principle.Quote, originally posted by 2ndnissan What I don't like about the HD lip is the ripples in it. There's one at every rivet location. Even painted there would still be ripples visible. The thinner more flexible "diamond lok" would at least eliminate some of those. A smooth body shouldn't show ripples anywhere. As for the hood prop,I just know I'd get distracted and not tighten the bolts down enough and get on heck of a concussion eventually*s*yeah the ripples do look like crap I think I'm getting sick of it anyway. I will do the diamond loc lip cuz it looks cleaner and lower the hood like another inch.I'm thinking about filling the tiny holes I left with a little bit of bondo and using some touch up paint I hope it works wonders.. Quote, originally posted by otterman raquo;

No you shouldn't have. I don't got time to answer all your dumb questions.

you sure have time to make a dumb post

Quote, originally posted by Clawhammer raquo;

Because the people with at least half a brain have spent the last 2 pages talking about how the hood prop pulls air in and only vents it when you're sitting still. I'm sorry your 3rd grade reading level has not been able to pick up on that. We're not driving F1 cars or anything here. All this talk about under car turbulance and such is BS. In the grand scheme of things your lip really isn't doing anything. I put a pignose lip on my car for the look, not because I live in a fantasy land where I think a 3" piece of plastic is making my street car handle better. Maybe the reason you feel you have to justify your lip with a function is because you stapled a piece of garden trim to your bumper?

Ok, first of all can we keep the insults to a minimum, and give me a little more constructive criticism? Calling me a 3rd grader without a brain doesn't help me and just makes you look immature. I'm in college and I can read just fine. I agree with you guys how the lip will not be beneficial when it's bent back where it will just make matters worst..I just think it will keep air out of the bottom of the car at high speeds if it doesn't bend back with the support of an oem lip behind it or L-brackets, etc. Yeah we don't drive F1 cars on here but we still run 10 inch wide wheels and racing coilovers for DD right? Same principle.

Quote, originally posted by 2ndnissan raquo;

What I don't like about the HD lip is the ripples in it. There's one at every rivet location. Even painted there would still be ripples visible. The thinner more flexible "diamond lok" would at least eliminate some of those. A smooth body shouldn't show ripples anywhere. As for the hood prop,I just know I'd get distracted and not tighten the bolts down enough and get on heck of a concussion eventually*s*

yeah the ripples do look like crap I think I'm getting sick of it anyway. I will do the diamond loc lip cuz it looks cleaner and lower the hood like another inch.

I'm thinking about filling the tiny holes I left with a little bit of bondo and using some touch up paint I hope it works wonders.. ]]> spooled240 2008-05-07T16:28:13-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3629667#3629667 Quote, originally posted by spooled240 How the hell do you know You sir, make me LOL-how does a propped hood NOT vent air.Because the people with at least half a brain have spent the last 2 pages talking about how the hood prop pulls air in and only vents it when you're sitting still. I'm sorry your 3rd grade reading level has not been able to pick up on that.We're not driving F1 cars or anything here. All this talk about under car turbulance and such is BS. In the grand scheme of things your lip really isn't doing anything. I put a pignose lip on my car for the look, not because I live in a fantasy land where I think a 3" piece of plastic is making my street car handle better. Maybe the reason you feel you have to justify your lip with a function is because you stapled a piece of garden trim to your bumper Quote, originally posted by spooled240 raquo;

How the hell do you know? You sir, make me LOL-how does a propped hood NOT vent air.

Because the people with at least half a brain have spent the last 2 pages talking about how the hood prop pulls air in and only vents it when you're sitting still. I'm sorry your 3rd grade reading level has not been able to pick up on that.

We're not driving F1 cars or anything here. All this talk about under car turbulance and such is BS. In the grand scheme of things your lip really isn't doing anything. I put a pignose lip on my car for the look, not because I live in a fantasy land where I think a 3" piece of plastic is making my street car handle better. Maybe the reason you feel you have to justify your lip with a function is because you stapled a piece of garden trim to your bumper? ]]> Clawhammer 2008-05-07T12:42:27-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3629399#3629399 -LIPif it is even minorly fuctional in stopping air from traveling under the car it would increase the force on the front of the car from an itial stop as now the force of gravity has a larger surface to push against. If it folds in anyway(which it clearly is doing even at a stop with its ugly ripples) then it will not maintain a constant flow of air over or under it and create turbulance. enough flexing and it could cause the front end to Lift instead. as intead of being l the flex has caused it to / and force going - will create lift.-hood propif it does vent hot air, wouldnt a flush hood w/o washer sprayers do almost the same thing. getting any water on their(special on your ebay turbo setup) is going to be a reall bad idea real quick. it still doesnt vent at a point under load(maybe under 10MPH) and in reality I can do the same thing taking my hood off at the track.most of all if you cant keep it cool enough under the hood during daily driving conditions.... you have bigger problems than just hot air. -LIP

if it is even minorly fuctional in stopping air from traveling under the car it would increase the force on the front of the car from an itial stop as now the force of gravity has a larger surface to push against. If it folds in anyway(which it clearly is doing even at a stop with its ugly ripples) then it will not maintain a constant flow of air over or under it and create turbulance. enough flexing and it could cause the front end to Lift instead. as intead of being l the flex has caused it to / and force going lt;- will create lift.

-hood prop
if it does vent hot air, wouldnt a flush hood w/o washer sprayers do almost the same thing. getting any water on their(special on your ebay turbo setup) is going to be a reall bad idea real quick. it still doesnt vent at a point under load(maybe under 10MPH) and in reality I can do the same thing taking my hood off at the track.

most of all if you cant keep it cool enough under the hood during daily driving conditions.... you have bigger problems than just hot air.
]]> ca18detgabby 2008-05-07T11:14:40-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3629179#3629179 Quote, originally posted by spooled240 o ****, I should've asked the otterman if this was "worthy" enough No you shouldn't have. I don't got time to answer all your dumb questions. Quote, originally posted by spooled240 raquo;

o ****, I should've asked the otterman if this was "worthy" enough

No you shouldn't have. I don't got time to answer all your dumb questions. ]]> otterman 2008-05-07T09:51:24-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3628815#3628815 What I don't like about the HD lip is the ripples in it. There's one at every rivet location. Even painted there would still be ripples visible. The thinner more flexible "diamond lok" would at least eliminate some of those. A smooth body shouldn't show ripples anywhere. As for the hood prop,I just know I'd get distracted and not tighten the bolts down enough and get on heck of a concussion eventually*s* 2ndnissan 2008-05-07T06:46:23-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3628570#3628570 Quote, originally posted by ken240sx I will say that the less air that can get under the car, the more down force it will create, the more stable it will be at high speeds, more air goes to the radiator if set up right, and you'll get better gas mileage if done correctly too.egg-fukin-xactly Quote, originally posted by ken240sx raquo;I will say that the less air that can get under the car, the more down force it will create, the more stable it will be at high speeds, more air goes to the radiator if set up right, and you'll get better gas mileage if done correctly too.

egg-fukin-xactly ]]> spooled240 2008-05-07T01:03:34-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3628559#3628559 well assuming the HD lip has support where it won't bend back...it's not even a lip at 70mph if it bends back all the way lol. spooled240 2008-05-07T00:54:32-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3628557#3628557 I will say that the less air that can get under the car, the more down force it will create, the more stable it will be at high speeds, more air goes to the radiator if set up right, and you'll get better gas mileage if done correctly too. ken240sx 2008-05-07T00:54:01-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3628553#3628553 Quote, originally posted by spooled240 o ****, I should've asked the otterman if this was "worthy" enough hey you're right bro I DIDN'T, i was talking about racing lips in general. I'm aware that this isn't a racing lip, but it WILL help keep air from under the car at higher speeds-simple physics.ROFL, No. The lip bends in at high speeds and looks like a big taco. Ever seen someone with a home depo lip fly by at 70+mph. Its quite funny. Quote, originally posted by spooled240 raquo;

o ****, I should've asked the otterman if this was "worthy" enough

hey you're right bro I DIDN'T, i was talking about racing lips in general. I'm aware that this isn't a racing lip, but it WILL help keep air from under the car at higher speeds-simple physics.

ROFL, No. The lip bends in at high speeds and looks like a big taco. Ever seen someone with a home depo lip fly by at 70+mph. Its quite funny. ]]> assassin7420 2008-05-07T00:50:46-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3628544#3628544 Quote, originally posted by Clawhammer Who are you trying to convince Hmmm Your garden trim lip isn't making your car handle better, and your raised hood isn't venting air.How the hell do you know You sir, make me LOL-how does a propped hood NOT vent air. O and I don't believe that the HD lip is COMLETELY useless I don't care if I make you laugh or not. Quote, originally posted by Clawhammer raquo;
Who are you trying to convince? Hmmm? Your garden trim lip isn't making your car handle better, and your raised hood isn't venting air.

How the hell do you know? You sir, make me LOL-how does a propped hood NOT vent air. O and I don't believe that the HD lip is COMLETELY useless I don't care if I make you laugh or not. ]]> spooled240 2008-05-07T00:43:26-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3628534#3628534 Quote, originally posted by otterman The lip is horrible.The lip and rear hood raise trick isn't really thread starting material.o ****, I should've asked the otterman if this was "worthy" enough Quote, originally posted by assassin7420 ROFL, You did not just say the home depo lip makes the car handle better.hey you're right bro I DIDN'T, i was talking about racing lips in general. I'm aware that this isn't a racing lip, but it WILL help keep air from under the car at higher speeds-simple physics. Quote, originally posted by otterman raquo;The lip is horrible.

The lip and rear hood raise trick isn't really thread starting material.

o ****, I should've asked the otterman if this was "worthy" enough

Quote, originally posted by assassin7420 raquo;

ROFL, You did not just say the home depo lip makes the car handle better.

hey you're right bro I DIDN'T, i was talking about racing lips in general. I'm aware that this isn't a racing lip, but it WILL help keep air from under the car at higher speeds-simple physics. ]]> spooled240 2008-05-07T00:38:07-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3628532#3628532 This thread makes me lol.It's one thing to say your rice mods look good (they don't), but to say you didn't do them for looks because they're actually functional......HAWho are you trying to convince Hmmm Your garden trim lip isn't making your car handle better, and your raised hood isn't venting air.This was a mean post, I'm going to apologize in advance (Sorry). It's one thing to say your rice mods look good (they don't), but to say you didn't do them for looks because they're actually functional...

...HA

Who are you trying to convince? Hmmm? Your garden trim lip isn't making your car handle better, and your raised hood isn't venting air.

This was a mean post, I'm going to apologize in advance (Sorry). ]]> Clawhammer 2008-05-07T00:37:36-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=335025;postid=3628493#3628493 It makes it look like a jgtc car I was thinking about the gracer lip I was thinking about the gracer lip

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