BREAKING NEWS! Nissan GTR Engine Revealed

Re: (redtop91)

ishkabibble — 2007-12-10T15:11:53-08:00

Quote, originally posted by redtop91 raquo;

SO unoriginal. I expect more of you.

Re: (SEV6)

JustinStrife — 2007-12-09T20:47:16-08:00

Quote, originally posted by SEV6 raquo;

What? did someone just mention my dream car? I do believe they did.

Re: (AZhitman)

BoostFab — 2007-12-09T20:41:28-08:00

Quote, originally posted by AZhitman raquo;

Even chicks know Corvettes are for senior citizens.

another word midlife crisis club lol

Re: (ishkabibble)

SEV6 — 2007-12-09T20:13:27-08:00

Quote, originally posted by ishkabibble raquo;

No way. 1967 'Vette with an L88 gt; all other 'Vettes.

What? did someone just mention my dream car? I do believe they did.

Re: (ishkabibble)

redtop91 — 2007-12-09T20:10:19-08:00

Re: (redtop91)

ishkabibble — 2007-12-09T19:45:01-08:00

Quote, originally posted by redtop91 raquo;

Yeah. Ish is just knows a 'Vette is a 'Vette.

No way. 1967 'Vette with an L88 gt; all other 'Vettes.

Re: (ishkabibble)

redtop91 — 2007-12-09T19:29:50-08:00

Yeah. Ish is just knows a 'Vette is a 'Vette.

Re: (JustinStrife)

ishkabibble — 2007-12-09T19:28:10-08:00

Quote, originally posted by JustinStrife raquo;

Are we talking a base C6, C6Z06, or a ZR-1? Be a little more specific Greg. A base C6 sure, but I really don't see a GTR dropping the panties anymore than a Z06 or ZR1 will.

Most women don't know the difference between models of Corvettes.

Re: (redtop91)

JustinStrife — 2007-12-09T19:13:28-08:00

Quote, originally posted by redtop91 raquo;

Man my Xbox is broken I just bought my last upgrade on my Z06 on Forza Motorsport too

Damnit man.

Was getting my *** kicked on doubles last night with a friend. 2 games I let us down. 3-4 times he let us down. Think we only won 2 out of like 8.

Re: (JustinStrife)

redtop91 — 2007-12-09T18:36:02-08:00

Man my Xbox is broken I just bought my last upgrade on my Z06 on Forza Motorsport too

Re: (redtop91)

JustinStrife — 2007-12-09T18:34:20-08:00

Quote, originally posted by redtop91 raquo;

GTR would drop my panties. But I'm easy

You dirty slut you.

Get on Live *****.

Re: BREAKING NEWS! Nissan GTR Engine Revealed (AZhitman)

leather-seat — 2007-12-09T12:03:50-08:00

I just hope Nissan can pull it off.

Re: (JustinStrife)

redtop91 — 2007-12-03T16:54:36-08:00

Quote, originally posted by JustinStrife raquo;

Are we talking a base C6, C6Z06, or a ZR-1? Be a little more specific Greg. A base C6 sure, but I really don't see a GTR dropping the panties anymore than a Z06 or ZR1 will.

GTR would drop my panties. But I'm easy

Re: (Jager)

C-Kwik — 2007-12-03T16:13:33-08:00

Quote, originally posted by Jager raquo;

what id be most interested in knowing is thoughts from you all about why nissan didnt use their v10 titan engine in the GTR. its an established beast that can really put down serious numbers. is it a weight thing? or just size?

If they used a V10 you could probably expect dimensions more similar to the Dodge Viper in the front end. Especially when trying to get most of such a large motor situated behind the front axle line. Not to mention the added mass from a turbo system on a V motor tends to be fairly low, providing a more optimal center of gravity. Of course this is more speculative, but that would be the biggest strengths that I'd consider.

Re: (AZhitman)

JustinStrife — 2007-12-02T18:50:44-08:00

Quote, originally posted by AZhitman raquo;

Trust me - Pull into a car show at the local diner in a C6 and a GTR and see which one drops the panties.

Even chicks know Corvettes are for senior citizens.

Are we talking a base C6, C6Z06, or a ZR-1? Be a little more specific Greg. A base C6 sure, but I really don't see a GTR dropping the panties anymore than a Z06 or ZR1 will.

Jager — 2007-12-02T15:51:29-08:00

well to be honest, the vette is a beautiful car, but id rather have awd and the option for Rwd then just RWD. but the GTRs body styling is a big turn OFF for me, it just does not sit right with me, i prefer the r34 style. not that it wont grow on me, its just hard to not go huh when i see photos.

im honestly happy that nissan is keeping the GTR nissan. i really with lexus acura, infiniti etc jsut stayed their base company names. nothing is more annoyign as a car enthusiast to be admiring a luxury car and have the owner talk down about the other cars its related to. best example a guy with an is 300 was busy telling me that his lexus was not a toyota and it was so much better build quality so it couldnt be a toyota.....

to greg and jesda and the others discussing innovation, I wish the big 4 in detriot would innovate with cars more, though i do applaud the corvette staying close to its roots. its just a shame that they have kickass concept cars and never really bring those to fruition though. id have killed for the concept shelby in 04 that ford was making.

Re: BREAKING NEWS! Nissan GTR Engine Revealed (skylinegtst93)

Camry — 2007-12-02T12:38:38-08:00

Quote, originally posted by skylinegtst93 raquo;

not bad...R34 is the best to DATE!!!

I'm gonna have to say R32 is best to DATE!!!

AZhitman — 2007-12-02T11:06:59-08:00

Trust me - Pull into a car show at the local diner in a C6 and a GTR and see which one drops the panties.

Even chicks know Corvettes are for senior citizens.

Re: BREAKING NEWS! Nissan GTR Engine Revealed (Sukairain R-33)

JustinStrife — 2007-11-28T22:10:28-08:00

Quote, originally posted by Sukairain R-33 raquo;

Vette owners are going to be buttsore when this thing ships.

Not so much.

http://forums.corvetteforum.co...74038

You can't talk about what times the car is pulling, until people actually are able to see PRODUCTION cars running. 7:50 is not a 7:38.

Re: BREAKING NEWS! Nissan GTR Engine Revealed (AZhitman)

skylinegtst93 — 2007-11-13T10:29:03-08:00

not bad...R34 is the best to DATE!!!

Re: (VMPhil)

idahotuner — 2007-11-06T11:58:39-08:00

i want the motor to put in my 240. oh boy.

Re: (hsckris)

zozoka1212 — 2007-10-18T09:24:05-08:00

Little update for every one.

http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/286421

zozo

Re: (chromesilver6)

hsckris — 2007-10-18T08:38:45-08:00

Quote, originally posted by chromesilver6 raquo;

Blah blah blah. Can we please quit comparing the Z06 to the new GT-R.. I mean they are not even on the same class. Vette is v8 rear drive while the skyline is awd v6 tt...

They are in the same class -- high end performance cars. And most of those buyers don't give a crap whether its front, rear, or mid engine or rear or all wheel drive...

Quote, originally posted by chromesilver6 raquo;

I personally cant wait to see what the aftermarket does with the new GT-R. Its gonna be crazy.

I hope so. Traditionally Nissan has had less of an aftermarket than other vehicles. And, not to bring up the vette comparision again, i wonder how it'll compare to other performance vehicles' aftermarkets.

Re: (hsckris)

chromesilver6 — 2007-10-18T08:16:50-08:00

Blah blah blah. Can we please quit comparing the Z06 to the new GT-R.. I mean they are not even on the same class. Vette is v8 rear drive while the skyline is awd v6 tt.. Just keep the vette compared to the new Viper that kicks it ***.. lol. I personally cant wait to see what the aftermarket does with the new GT-R. Its gonna be crazy.. Saty tuned.

Re: (Mr1der)

hsckris — 2007-10-18T06:40:55-08:00

Quote, originally posted by Mr1der raquo;

they're outdated in the same way a revolver is to an auto pistol...older technology...but just as potent. Stupid LS motors...

if by newer they mean c6, i have to disagree. the c6 isn't older technology in total just b/c the engine is different technology. it still handles like cars costing twice as much. and there is nothing wrong with not having OHC -- the c6 does just fine without it based on its numbers (even the c5 does if you ask me).

there is absolutely no question in my mind that right now the c6 is the best new performance vehicle for the $ available, and the c5 is the best used performance vehicle for the $ available.

Re: (Mr1der)

ishkabibble — 2007-10-17T19:07:25-08:00

Quote, originally posted by Mr1der raquo;

rofls...silly kids.

see that small piece of silver?

that has vette bumper written all over it...

I know, we had a silver '79 C3. Hated it. It caught fire and burnt our garage down; a fitting end for that POS. I was more sad about losing my mountain bike in the garage fire than the car.

Every Vette from '78 onward has the same basic shape. *yawn*

Mr1der — 2007-10-17T18:34:15-08:00

rofls...silly kids.

see that small piece of silver?

that has vette bumper written all over it...

but at the same time, I don't see how JS's comment disproves the outdated...

they're outdated in the same way a revolver is to an auto pistol...older technology...but just as potent. Stupid LS motors...

Re: (maxnix)

ishkabibble — 2007-10-17T18:12:45-08:00

Quote, originally posted by maxnix raquo;

I didn't know there was a Corvette SUV!

Yep! It's the best looking Corvette since 1977!

Re: (JustinStrife)

maxnix — 2007-10-17T17:32:06-08:00

Quote, originally posted by JustinStrife raquo;

As to the newer corvettes being out-dated....

I 100% disagree with you Greg.

(for those that have good eyes, I'm parked next to a 78', 25th anniversary C3 that belongs to a gal I know quite well who also owns an old Porsche 911)

I didn't know there was a Corvette SUV!

Re: BREAKING NEWS! Nissan GTR Engine Revealed (Sukairain R-33)

AZhitman — 2007-10-17T08:29:04-08:00

Quote, originally posted by Sukairain R-33 raquo;

Vette owners are going to be buttsore when this thing ships.

usdm_180sx — 2007-10-17T08:27:19-08:00

http://2009gtr.blogspot.com/20....html

Re: BREAKING NEWS! Nissan GTR Engine Revealed (AZhitman)

Sukairain R-33 — 2007-10-17T04:37:52-08:00

I don't think your math works.

21psi peak through 3.8L of variable valve timing goodness is well more than 4-500hp. Like closer to a whole crap ton. I see boost staying around 10-12psi.

In order to make that much torque that low the engine is going to have some insane volumetric efficiency.

The gtr has already beaten the 911's time at the nurb, and they're creeping up on the Carrera GT. Vette owners are going to be buttsore when this thing ships.

Re: (MattB)

160Z — 2007-09-20T05:55:35-08:00

Quote, originally posted by MattB raquo;

Awesome engine specs. I still don't understand why it's being badged as a Nissan though.

Maybe because it is a Nissan? It can't be marketed as an Infinity, because that's aimed more at the executive buyer, and besides, the GT-R is part of Nissan fokelore streching back to the 1964 Skyline 2000 GT!

Re: (AZhitman)

datsun2401972 — 2007-09-01T00:00:50-08:00

eh...10 days later, but I'll give my 2 cents.

The fact that nissan is following porsche with vtg turbines is absolutely awesome. And I think that fact really hints at what nissan was going after, the 997 turbo.

And really, I think they've used the 911 as their standard ever since the R32 chassis gtr's were born. I think that says alot about compairing a GTR to a corvette...it wasn't supposed to be. Of course people still compair them! But look at the buyers...Corvette: Older men, nice husbands, nice fathers, and rich widows. GTR: People who look for, and can afford, the highest tech car for the price.

Sure there are some young buyers for new corvettes, I know one personally. Guess what he did when his brand new(at the time) Z06 got spanked by a S/C SVT mustang? He bought a mustang.

My point here is, people talk about a corvette being an Icon(which it certainly is). But what kind of icons are kids cherishing today? What exactly that is I don't know. But what it isn't, is traditional.

I hate to say it, but ever since FnF came out, people have been buying up imports like hotcakes. Dealerships actually sell used imports with worthless aftermarket parts(read dubs, ground kits, clear corners, wings, etc) for MORE than the average price!. And people are BUYING them!

So what does this tell me about nissan? They chose the most opportune time to start importing GTRs to the states.

That's just my opinion though. I know I won't be able to afford the new GTR when it comes, but to me it will be an icon. Just like the 911 was the first time I saw it. And besides, GTR is too close to "GTR'DONE!" for this okie not to love.

AZhitman — 2007-08-21T20:33:50-08:00

...and it's functional!

(That's part of the airflow management - it's a cheap way to increase aerodynamics and reduce wind noise.)

usdm_180sx — 2007-08-21T19:51:23-08:00

Sawsome pics of the GT-R at the book store at Mitsuwa today. The car's underbody is completely covered in plastic paneling. It's gonna be badass.

Re: (AZhitman)

DJButton — 2007-08-21T16:30:04-08:00

I'm glad to see this thread's discussions stayed enjoyable, been a good read so far, I like your thoughts guys.

AZhitman — 2007-08-21T12:50:01-08:00

Gotta agree with Hash's assessment... The man speaks wisdom.

Re: (JustinStrife)

PapaSmurf2k3 — 2007-08-21T10:24:17-08:00

Its true. I like all those cars, but I also know I am going to want to screw with it. I really don't want to be messing around with a porsche, so we will see... The 240 might just stay as the "tinker car", but then I remember about how much I love the note of the LS series exhaust. Sends shivvers down my spine. Right now it looks like the Porsche is losing. Besides, all's a Porsche brings you are the gold digger chicks anyway.

Re: (PapaSmurf2k3)

JustinStrife — 2007-08-21T09:21:29-08:00

Quote, originally posted by PapaSmurf2k3 raquo;

To tell you all the truth, I will be considering all the 3 most mentioned cars in this thread (911, GTR, and Corvette) in the future, when I get my sweet job. If the GTR puts it down in a big way, I will probably go with that, so bam there is 1 less sale for one of the other 2. Then again, I am one in more than a million (so I've been told), so I don't really see the GTR hurting vette sales much at all.

All that said, its gonna come down to the test drive, support (Vette will undoubtedly win this, but we'll see), reliabilty, and if all els fails, dealer experience. To be honest, I have always wanted a vette, and a 911 as well. The GTR is a new up-and-comer in my eyes (now that it is attainable that is). Time will tell.

And the vette style might be dated, but it does have modern flares, and timeless body lines. There are many cars that I wish kept their body lines, and Corvette did it, so props to them. Lots of cars coming out now-a-days (or previous generations) look like crap compared to their predacessors (think the new WRX).

Somebody give this man a rep point.

Hell I'd love to have a GT-R, a C6 Z06, and a GT3 Porsche sittting in a garage with my name on the titles. Would be one ballin' garage you'd have to admit that. However, since I can't afford any of them without selling off everything, I'll stick with what I have now.

Re: (BOOMSHAKALAKA)

PapaSmurf2k3 — 2007-08-21T08:50:47-08:00

BOOMSHAKALAKA — 2007-08-21T08:15:36-08:00

So, that GTR engine...quite amazing isn't it?

*miserable attempt @ trying to get back on topic

Re: (AZhitman)

HashiriyaS14 — 2007-08-21T07:06:31-08:00

Quote, originally posted by AZhitman raquo;

22 years of innovation? Nope.

Trust me, I don't hate the car. I'm a fan. Always have been.

But the reality is, Detroit needs to take a giant leap soon or the supercars from Japan will take a bite out of sales.

The Corvette looks the way it does because Corvette buyers want it to look that way. GM has been itching to do a mid-engined Corvette for years but it will NEVER be the primary model because Corvette buyers want:

-To be able to fit 2 golf bags in the back
-To be able to comfortably daily drive it (many vettes are DD's, hence all the auto trans vettes out there)
-A car that LOOKS like "a Corvette", which is to say "along the same path of evolving the C4 aesthetic of the last 20 years"
-A simple OHV V8 that makes lots of low end and is inexpensive

The C7 might well have a mid-engined aluminum/carbon-bodied variant that will slot in where the Blue Devil will be for the C6. It will NEVER replace the base model however, which will forever be FR, OHV, FRP-bodied, etc...

At the end of the day, the fact that the base C6 laps so quickly is something of a function of there being no other real competitors out there in the price range. GM isn't TRYING to necessarily build the fastest-lapping track dominator for $40k, they're trying to build something that Corvette buyers will want to own.

If someone else wants to come along and engineer a wild tech-laden vehicle for roughly the same price that will lap a little faster and then sell it in small numbers to people who will track it, it won't really change anything. It won't be competition, it isn't the same sort of car, it's trying to do something else entirely.

Oh, and NSX's do hold their value astoundingly, given what they are. A NICE 1991 NSX still sells for $30k, and what did they cost new in 91, like maybe $50-60k? That's pretty amazing......

Jookmasta — 2007-08-21T02:25:33-08:00

Gonna have to disagree with the nsx comment. That car just like every other acura definitely holds its value pretty well. They were a 70K-90K car and even 12 years later, they are still going for around 16K-20K. FEW cars can still do that considering that not alot were sold and the power of that car isn't that earth shattering. I will say that only time will tell if this car will hold its resale value. As i said earlier, production numbers is what will determine this car's fate.

As for the corvette discussion, everyone is entitled to their opinion about the corvette but my only quim with that car will be its interior. great motor, great handling, and the true definition of a sports car that doesn't break the wallet. GM has made leaps and bounds with the corvette so i can't really see where the bashing of it can be sourced from. EVERY single update (C4, C5, C6) has been a tremendous improvement on the previous model. Does this make it a better car than the GTR? No, but it will definitely NOT lose sales due to people running next door to the nissan dealership to get a GTR. As said before in this thread, there are different types of buyers for those cars.

Re: (AZhitman)

JustinStrife — 2007-08-21T00:02:34-08:00

Bleh. Edited cause I'm tired and my thoughts are a jumbled mess at this point of the night. Might update in the morning.

Modified by JustinStrife at 12:34 AM 8/21/2007

Re: (AZhitman)

usdm_180sx — 2007-08-20T23:53:41-08:00

Quote, originally posted by AZhitman raquo;

Ummm, exqueeze me?

The NSX holds its value like crazy. Hell, even the early ones are still commanding big bucks.

Older ns-x's are going for ~$20-25k ish

AZhitman — 2007-08-20T23:08:11-08:00

I'm inclined to agree to certain extent, with one caveat:

One of the best drivetrains in the world, wrapped in a disappointing package.

Imagine the LSx with some of the innovations we're seeing in recent V6 engines from Toyota and Nissan... Frightening.

Re: (AZhitman)

MinisterofDOOM — 2007-08-20T22:43:31-08:00

Detroit may need to make a giant leap soon, but NOT with the Corvette.
There's room for a true GM supercar, but I see no reason to change the 'Vette. I find myself saying this about a lot of things lately: innovation is NOT necessary to make a good product. Don't fix what isn't broke.

AZhitman — 2007-08-20T22:37:31-08:00

1984:

2006:

22 years of innovation? Nope.

Trust me, I don't hate the car. I'm a fan. Always have been.

But the reality is, Detroit needs to take a giant leap soon or the supercars from Japan will take a bite out of sales.

Re: (Kenrik)

AZhitman — 2007-08-20T22:31:50-08:00

Quote, originally posted by Kenrik raquo;

think of the NSX.. values drop like a rock even though it's a great super car

Ummm, exqueeze me?

The NSX holds its value like crazy. Hell, even the early ones are still commanding big bucks.

Re: (JustinStrife)

ishkabibble — 2007-08-20T20:23:54-08:00

That picture encompasses almost the entire range of poor Corvette aesthetics. It started to look boring in '78, still looks uninspired and, yes, outdated, today.

lt;- owned a '73

Re: (AZhitman)

JustinStrife — 2007-08-20T20:10:21-08:00

Quote, originally posted by AZhitman raquo;

Futuristic? Not even CLOSE.

Current? Maybe.

Looks much the same as it did in 1984, when it WAS "futuristic".

Absolutely I would say the same of the 911. It's VERY much the same as it was in 1976, but it has (IMO) "aged" much better.

Far from it - I'm a closet skeptic on the GTR.

I just understand the market as a WORLD market, not a US market - You, a student of the automotive market, a critic of all that is failed in Detroit, a connoisseur (at least on paper) of what "works" and what doesn't, you of all people can grasp that.

Corvette has been picking up quite well the last few years in Europe. It was a matter of improving the overall perception of quality to the public, and getting the GM dealerships in Europe on board with marketing the car to Europeans. Also, the C6 was the first generation that was designed towards the European driving characteristics(and tested @ the Nueranburg(I hate spelling it as I NEVER get it right and too lazy to look it up)). Like Nissan, GM focused the majority of it's corvette sales, in America where Corvette was born and nurtured for generations. Now, however, you can see Corvette events popping up all over Europe. People are importing C1, C2's, C3's, and C4's to Britain, Germany, and other countries, then hosting events where thousands of these cars that were never sold in Europe, have ended up. When several hundred corvettes show up for an all corvette event in Britain, you know there are people that love them. My cousin Chris, who's family is from Germany, tells me all the time about how Germans love Corvettes. I'd bet there's quite a few more corvettes in Germany, than all generations of skylines that came out of Japan.

Car enthusiasts might know alot about the GT-R, but your average person does not. The average person DOES however, know about the Corvette. It has 55 years of history. Granted most of that is in America, but there's alot of history in Europe too, not to mention the recent successes this past decade at Lemans with the C5R, and C6R.

Might I add, that the ZR-1 when it came out in 1990, blew everybody away around the world, with it's performance.

As to the newer corvettes being out-dated....

I 100% disagree with you Greg.

(for those that have good eyes, I'm parked next to a 78', 25th anniversary C3 that belongs to a gal I know quite well who also owns an old Porsche 911)

Re: (BOOMSHAKALAKA)

ishkabibble — 2007-08-20T19:55:01-08:00

Re: (filip9999)

BOOMSHAKALAKA — 2007-08-20T19:52:11-08:00

K...thanks for sharing that little tidbit with us.

filip9999 — 2007-08-20T19:48:41-08:00

nissan rocks my socks

Kenrik — 2007-08-20T19:14:37-08:00

I hope sales suck...

then I can pick one up in few years cheap (think of the NSX.. values drop like a rock even though it's a great super car)

Re: (AZhitman)

daytona drifter — 2007-08-20T19:12:30-08:00

Quote, originally posted by AZhitman raquo;

Yep. And Jesda's one of the few people who I can disagree with and still know deep down that he's not full of s***.

how 'bout me babe, am i full of s***?

AZhitman — 2007-08-20T19:11:04-08:00

Yeah, the dealer network concerns me greatly.

I know my car better than most of the techs at my dealership, and that's simply sad. Hell, I hang out with the foreman (20 years with Nissan) and he tells me some horror stories...

Re: (Jesda)

AZhitman — 2007-08-20T19:08:12-08:00

Quote, originally posted by Jesda raquo;

Speculation is fun. We get to have discussions.

Yep. And Jesda's one of the few people who I can disagree with and still know deep down that he's not full of s***.

Jookmasta — 2007-08-20T19:06:08-08:00

interesting takes on how the sales of the GTR will turn out. I think that the GTR will be a great car but I will have to see what the production numbers of these things ends up being. If I was nissan, I would focus my sales of this car EVERYWHERE but America. We might have the largest buying power and the largest amount of nissan dealerships but in all honesty, how many commercials do we really see of 70K cars? The average American doesn't spend that much on a car so there goes the TV route of advertising. The only real way for people to know of this thing is via the net or a magazine.

Now as for its sales against the corvette, that will definitely be a toss up. I think that they each have their own market as there is no targa or convertible gtr. i will say that from a pricing aspect, the vette will have the edge seeing as how a normal c6 doesn't have a dealer markup like what these GTR's will have.

as for going up against 911's, a porsche owner is a porsche owner. alot of people that own a 911 own one because they either wanted it because they owned the hotwheels version of it when they were little or because they want to make a statement. the GTR definitely doesn't have the yuppy appeal that a 911 carries since it has never been in the states.

Finally, the whole issue of what it should be badged as. Granted it being an infiniti would mean that most people walking into the dealership could probably afford it, it just wouldn't fit into the infiniti line up. Infiniti is all about luxury and this car is not focused on luxury. My only question will be for when this car goes into the dealership for service. I personally have seen what goes on in the service departments of nissan dealerships here in south florida and trust me there are FAR and FEW great mechanics that should even be allowed to hold a wrench. Granted the car shouldn't be in the dealership for more than oil changes and brake replacements, but if there are any serious issues that end up plaguing the car, good luck to that owner getting his car serviced in the proper manner.