Anyone who repeatedly tries to communicate in the written word without observing the fundamentals of actual literacy comes off looking like an uninformed bumpkin, someone who brought a pillow to English class.

Communication is the most vital form of human interaction. If someone tries to make a point or even throw a quick phrase out there using poor writing skills he is immediately marked as a know-nothing, and his attempts from then on to make a point will be diminished in the eyes of the reader.

The author--and I use that word loosely-- will also have demonstrated a distain for the recipient of his communucation, assuming incorrectly that the reader is as dumb as he.

Today's "tuned-in" youngsters practice their sophomoric writing skills on cellphones or social blogs where their IM skills tend to be abbreviated, but a close examination of their messages really show an appalling lack of basic knowledge and a basic dumbing down of communicative skills. Many of them probably complain that "nobody understands them" and never try to seek the source of that misunderstanding.

It lies within.
An inability to say or write something containing basic grammatical style may work among their peers, but people who actually stayed awake during English class will most likely dismiss them as unfortunate and irrelevant.
They will, most likely, NEVER be understood and their lives will be seriously hamstrung-- all because they think that someone who can't grasp their meaning of things isn't cool.

My message to them???--lern too rite plz

Don't lie, you copied and pasted that didn't you?

My only big complaint on here and in face to face conversation is the appalling use of run on sentences, and the incorrect pronunciation of words based on geographical and demo-graphical locations. ]]> Chaotic_Warlord 2009-03-05T07:30:49-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=4377929#4377929 I've got to side with the Literacy First crowd on this.Anyone who repeatedly tries to communicate in the written word without observing the fundamentals of actual literacy comes off looking like an uninformed bumpkin, someone who brought a pillow to English class.Communication is the most vital form of human interaction. If someone tries to make a point or even throw a quick phrase out there using poor writing skills he is immediately marked as a know-nothing, and his attempts from then on to make a point will be diminished in the eyes of the reader.The author--and I use that word loosely-- will also have demonstrated a distain for the recipient of his communucation, assuming incorrectly that the reader is as dumb as he.Today's "tuned-in" youngsters practice their sophomoric writing skills on cellphones or social blogs where their IM skills tend to be abbreviated, but a close examination of their messages really show an appalling lack of basic knowledge and a basic dumbing down of communicative skills. Many of them probably complain that "nobody understands them" and never try to seek the source of that misunderstanding. It lies within. An inability to say or write something containing basic grammatical style may work among their peers, but people who actually stayed awake during English class will most likely dismiss them as unfortunate and irrelevant. They will, most likely, NEVER be understood and their lives will be seriously hamstrung-- all because they think that someone who can't grasp their meaning of things isn't cool.My message to them--lern too rite plz Anyone who repeatedly tries to communicate in the written word without observing the fundamentals of actual literacy comes off looking like an uninformed bumpkin, someone who brought a pillow to English class.

Communication is the most vital form of human interaction. If someone tries to make a point or even throw a quick phrase out there using poor writing skills he is immediately marked as a know-nothing, and his attempts from then on to make a point will be diminished in the eyes of the reader.

The author--and I use that word loosely-- will also have demonstrated a distain for the recipient of his communucation, assuming incorrectly that the reader is as dumb as he.

Today's "tuned-in" youngsters practice their sophomoric writing skills on cellphones or social blogs where their IM skills tend to be abbreviated, but a close examination of their messages really show an appalling lack of basic knowledge and a basic dumbing down of communicative skills. Many of them probably complain that "nobody understands them" and never try to seek the source of that misunderstanding.

It lies within.
An inability to say or write something containing basic grammatical style may work among their peers, but people who actually stayed awake during English class will most likely dismiss them as unfortunate and irrelevant.
They will, most likely, NEVER be understood and their lives will be seriously hamstrung-- all because they think that someone who can't grasp their meaning of things isn't cool.

My message to them???--lern too rite plz ]]> JHof 2009-01-18T11:14:07-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=4349021#4349021 Excellent ]]> themadscientist 2009-01-08T05:19:37-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=4349020#4349020 Quote, originally posted by drksolest oh good god people... it's just a forum. Quote, originally posted by drksolest raquo;oh good god people... it's just a forum.

]]> krimsonviper 2009-01-08T05:19:33-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=4349013#4349013 oh good god people... it's just a forum. ]]> drksolest 2009-01-08T05:17:11-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=4345891#4345891 Quote, originally posted by drksolest Depending on the situation (topic), or who i'm speaking to... i'll try to type coherent. Usually i'm in a rush, don't cap, n' really don't care to fix my mistakes if they aren't horrible. on the other hand, icanhazfunzinthr3ds Modified by drksolest at 9:51 AM 1/7/2009"Or to whom I am speaking" Quote, originally posted by drksolest raquo;Depending on the situation (topic), or who i'm speaking to... i'll try to type coherent.

Usually i'm in a rush, don't cap, n' really don't care to fix my mistakes if they aren't horrible.

on the other hand, icanhazfunzinthr3ds

Modified by drksolest at 9:51 AM 1/7/2009"Or to whom I am speaking" ]]> Loki 2009-01-07T07:18:54-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=4345812#4345812 Quote, originally posted by krimsonviper Or correctly.

Quote, originally posted by krimsonviper raquo;

Or correctly.

]]> drksolest 2009-01-07T06:52:25-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=4345753#4345753 Quote, originally posted by drksolest i'll try to type cohierent.Or correctly. Quote, originally posted by drksolest raquo;i'll try to type cohierent.

Or correctly. ]]> krimsonviper 2009-01-07T06:11:09-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=4345751#4345751 Depending on the situation (topic), or who i'm speaking to... i'll try to type coherent. Usually i'm in a rush, don't cap, n' really don't care to fix my mistakes if they aren't horrible. on the other hand, icanhazfunzinthr3ds Modified by drksolest at 9:51 AM 1/7/2009

Usually i'm in a rush, don't cap, n' really don't care to fix my mistakes if they aren't horrible.

on the other hand, icanhazfunzinthr3ds

Modified by drksolest at 9:51 AM 1/7/2009 ]]> drksolest 2009-01-07T06:09:45-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=4345636#4345636 resort to this ]]> themadscientist 2009-01-07T03:44:52-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=4345459#4345459 what if you have no arms and cant type ]]> Mr.Nissan240sx96 2009-01-06T23:52:57-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=4345223#4345223 ]]> arabdrifter 2009-01-06T21:41:35-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=4345173#4345173 Quote, originally posted by bcnu22 pornK seriously, Quote, originally posted by bcnu22 raquo;porn?

K seriously, ]]> ADDirishboy 2009-01-06T21:22:34-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=4344804#4344804 ]]> themadscientist 2009-01-06T19:41:33-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=4344759#4344759 Quote, originally posted by l0nestar Actually, I had been here for over one year when I replied to you. I was unable to distinguish your jest. Eu speek Patois, er deh Mesolect Creole It's 2009 'bro'... let it go. Quote, originally posted by l0nestar raquo;

Actually, I had been here for over one year when I replied to you. I was unable to distinguish your jest.

Eu speek Patois, er deh Mesolect Creole?

It's 2009 'bro'... let it go. ]]> skydragoness 2009-01-06T19:29:15-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=4342952#4342952 Quote, originally posted by PantherRacer I am actually from the Caribbean. Thus, I am not American, and I'm used to people talking like that all day. On the other hand, it was also a joke. Obviously though, at the time you were too new to realize.Loser. Actually, I had been here for over one year when I replied to you. I was unable to distinguish your jest. Eu speek Patois, er deh Mesolect Creole Quote, originally posted by PantherRacer raquo;I am actually from the Caribbean. Thus, I am not American, and I'm used to people talking like that all day. On the other hand, it was also a joke. Obviously though, at the time you were too new to realize.

Loser.

Actually, I had been here for over one year when I replied to you. I was unable to distinguish your jest.

Eu speek Patois, er deh Mesolect Creole? ]]> l0nestar 2009-01-06T08:40:24-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=3243775#3243775 I would suggest that in a forum, a place where most people will never meet, grammar is more important. If the only side of you others see is how you write and express yourself with words do you really want 2 rite lik dis all tha time yo! It makes the person look like an idiot and they start at a negative point and must regain respect lost when the "kepp it reel". Excessive purposeful use of slang, explicatives, misspelling etc does not make one look cool, it makes them look ignorant. It is a sad commentary on our citizens when knowledge and proficiency are seen as a negative thing which must masked behind intentional dumbing down of how one expresses themself. ]]> themadscientist 2007-12-30T15:22:36-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=3242827#3242827 Quote, originally posted by otterman So... whos gonna make the "porn for porn fans" threadI vote Jon AKA SRPOWERED240SX. Quote, originally posted by otterman raquo;So... whos gonna make the "porn for porn fans" thread?

I vote Jon AKA SRPOWERED240SX. ]]> Jiggyfry 2007-12-30T06:29:05-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=3242816#3242816 Quote, originally posted by l0nestar Did you recently discover Ali-G I am actually from the Caribbean. Thus, I am not American, and I'm used to people talking like that all day. On the other hand, it was also a joke. Obviously though, at the time you were too new to realize.Loser. Quote, originally posted by l0nestar raquo;

Did you recently discover Ali-G?? I am actually from the Caribbean. Thus, I am not American, and I'm used to people talking like that all day. On the other hand, it was also a joke. Obviously though, at the time you were too new to realize.

Loser. ]]> PantherRacer 2007-12-30T06:09:24-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=3242725#3242725 Well said. I try to do my best at grammar and punctuation. Should be required. EvillE423 2007-12-30T03:39:19-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=3242722#3242722 LOL, this thread is FTW because I was barely pushing this point, I even sent Idaho a copy of a typing CD, LOL Woot! 2007-12-30T03:37:07-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=3242704#3242704 this thread is ftl, I read porn and clicked it...how disappointing lol duffman1278 2007-12-30T03:14:12-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=3242687#3242687 *bump cuz ppl like me suck at spellin the right way on a forum haha

cuz ppl like me suck at spellin the right way on a forum haha ]]> ArEs23x 2007-12-30T02:51:39-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2998741#2998741 Quote, originally posted by maxnix ceningolmo, ur so not kewwwwwel. Anyone who doesn't post in English just doesn't want to communicate effectively because they really have nothing of import to say, so let them rant in their small little lonely insignificant world.I agree. If a poster is so rude and inconsiderate that they refuse to at least attempt to be literate, nothing they say has any importance for me. It's not that hard, and doesn't take that much time to capitalize, use reasonably proper punctuation, and spell correctly. Typos are acceptable, but deliberately running sentences on and refusing to capitalize is obnoxious behavior. I usually ignore those who deliberately act as if they're illiterate. Ceningolmo, your post is spot on. Thanks for bringing the subject up. It needed to be addressed. Quote, originally posted by maxnix raquo;ceningolmo, ur so not kewwwwwel.

Anyone who doesn't post in English just doesn't want to communicate effectively because they really have nothing of import to say, so let them rant in their small little lonely insignificant world.

I agree. If a poster is so rude and inconsiderate that they refuse to at least attempt to be literate, nothing they say has any importance for me. It's not that hard, and doesn't take that much time to capitalize, use reasonably proper punctuation, and spell correctly. Typos are acceptable, but deliberately running sentences on and refusing to capitalize is obnoxious behavior. I usually ignore those who deliberately act as if they're illiterate.

Ceningolmo, your post is spot on. Thanks for bringing the subject up. It needed to be addressed. ]]> StarPD 2007-10-03T14:38:09-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2984516#2984516 wHatswrongwithnotusingpropergrammErandspellingandpunctuation% SEV6 2007-09-27T08:42:10-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2983596#2983596 Preach on, i've been saying this for years. rbrtbrce17 2007-09-26T19:39:41-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2980483#2980483 This thread rocks! ]]> Abdo 2007-09-25T14:45:36-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2979152#2979152 Good question. I used to talk to him a few times a week, but he's MIA frapjap 2007-09-24T21:53:53-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2978835#2978835 Bump. BTW what happened to Ross BTW what happened to Ross? ]]> BOOMSHAKALAKA 2007-09-24T20:01:54-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2491136#2491136 Quote, originally posted by OriginalWheelman Why isn't this just stickiedSticky for what Quote, originally posted by OriginalWheelman raquo;Why isn't this just stickied?

Sticky for what? ]]> redtop91 2007-03-18T19:09:54-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2491109#2491109 Quote, originally posted by PantherRacer But sometime mi nah feel like typin propa like so, ah how u a put mi out like dat Mi spend mi time ta go roun, readin an mi wan mek a simple lil comment, an mi must stop, capitalize, punctuate, an spell properlyDat a fi a buncha bull!Did you recently discover Ali-G Quote, originally posted by PantherRacer raquo;But sometime mi nah feel like typin propa like so, ah how u a put mi out like dat? Mi spend mi time ta go roun, readin an mi wan mek a simple lil comment, an mi must stop, capitalize, punctuate, an spell properly?

Dat a fi a buncha bull!

Did you recently discover Ali-G?? ]]> l0nestar 2007-03-18T19:03:42-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2406064#2406064 I need this for english. partymonster 975 2007-02-14T17:47:54-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2406014#2406014 TTT... for anyone who may have missed it. ceningolmo 2007-02-14T17:30:23-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2341488#2341488 Quote, originally posted by Jesda The retards here who can barely spell also ignore stickies.Touche' Quote, originally posted by Jesda raquo;

The retards here who can barely spell also ignore stickies.Touche' ]]> OriginalWheelman 2007-01-21T10:40:29-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2341469#2341469 Quote, originally posted by OriginalWheelman Why isn't this just stickiedThe retards here who can barely spell also ignore stickies. Quote, originally posted by OriginalWheelman raquo;Why isn't this just stickied?

The retards here who can barely spell also ignore stickies. ]]> Jesda 2007-01-21T10:32:06-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2341468#2341468 Why isn't this just stickied OriginalWheelman 2007-01-21T10:30:03-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2341193#2341193 Monthly bump for those who might have missed it. ceningolmo 2007-01-21T06:45:36-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2268714#2268714 Bumpage ceningolmo 2006-12-18T18:24:21-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2248401#2248401 It is critical to learn to type with your toes! ]]> ceningolmo 2006-12-08T15:11:25-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2248303#2248303 Quote, originally posted by otterman So... whos gonna make the "porn for porn fans" threadThe people who would make that thread cant because they only have one hand free Quote, originally posted by otterman raquo;So... whos gonna make the "porn for porn fans" thread?

The people who would make that thread cant because they only have one hand free ]]> redtop91 2006-12-08T14:21:07-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2247868#2247868 So... whos gonna make the "porn for porn fans" thread otterman 2006-12-08T10:01:12-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2247102#2247102 Quote, originally posted by frapjap You are totally missing the point of the thread, my friend. I am saying that young people don't USE proper (or even decent) grammar; not that they don't know how to use it. The most unfortunate thing is that they CHOOSE to not use it because this is a 'car forum.'Oh ok. Agreed. Quote, originally posted by frapjap raquo;

You are totally missing the point of the thread, my friend.

I am saying that young people don't USE proper (or even decent) grammar; not that they don't know how to use it. The most unfortunate thing is that they CHOOSE to not use it because this is a 'car forum.'

Oh ok. Agreed. ]]> redtop91 2006-12-07T22:31:49-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2246709#2246709 Bump, again. Important info contained within... if you haven't reviewed this thread, please do. ceningolmo 2006-12-07T19:58:33-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2224072#2224072 But sometime mi nah feel like typin propa like so, ah how u a put mi out like dat Mi spend mi time ta go roun, readin an mi wan mek a simple lil comment, an mi must stop, capitalize, punctuate, an spell properlyDat a fi a buncha bull! Dat a fi a buncha bull! ]]> PantherRacer 2006-11-28T14:41:22-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2223799#2223799 Quote, originally posted by redtop91 Are you trying to imply that young people don't know how to use proper grammar That sounds like a stereotype to me.You are totally missing the point of the thread, my friend. I am saying that young people don't USE proper (or even decent) grammar; not that they don't know how to use it. The most unfortunate thing is that they CHOOSE to not use it because this is a 'car forum.' Quote, originally posted by redtop91 raquo;

Are you trying to imply that young people don't know how to use proper grammar? That sounds like a stereotype to me.

You are totally missing the point of the thread, my friend.

I am saying that young people don't USE proper (or even decent) grammar; not that they don't know how to use it. The most unfortunate thing is that they CHOOSE to not use it because this is a 'car forum.' ]]> frapjap 2006-11-28T12:15:24-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2222706#2222706 ceningolmo, ur so not kewwwwwel. Anyone who doesn't post in English just doesn't want to communicate effectively because they really have nothing of import to say, so let them rant in their small little lonely insignificant world.

Anyone who doesn't post in English just doesn't want to communicate effectively because they really have nothing of import to say, so let them rant in their small little lonely insignificant world. ]]> maxnix 2006-11-27T20:23:53-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2222178#2222178 Quote, originally posted by frapjap I know this forum can cater to the younger crowd, being the 240 and other cheap Nissans are affordable to them, BUT there is NO reason that the simplest cornerstones of our language can't be applied.Are you trying to imply that young people don't know how to use proper grammar That sounds like a stereotype to me. Quote, originally posted by frapjap raquo;
I know this forum can cater to the younger crowd, being the 240 and other cheap Nissans are affordable to them, BUT there is NO reason that the simplest cornerstones of our language can't be applied.

Are you trying to imply that young people don't know how to use proper grammar? That sounds like a stereotype to me. ]]> redtop91 2006-11-27T18:09:12-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2210322#2210322 Quote, originally posted by ceningolmo Bump for those who might have missed this last week.Grammar, spelling, punctuation, capitalization, and the use of paragraphs makes for more intelligible posts. Please help make NICO both informative and literate.Bumping for an wonderful cause. I know this forum can cater to the younger crowd, being the 240 and other cheap Nissans are affordable to them, BUT there is NO reason that the simplest cornerstones of our language can't be applied. The answer, "because this is a car forum and i dont care what ne1 thinks about my sentenz when i talk about cars we all no what im talking about because my car stopped starting and the wipers r goin off at the same time cuz i think the alternator and ecu r broke when i took this corner to hard and tryed to drift." Quote, originally posted by ceningolmo raquo;Bump for those who might have missed this last week.

Grammar, spelling, punctuation, capitalization, and the use of paragraphs makes for more intelligible posts. Please help make NICO both informative and literate.

Bumping for an wonderful cause. I know this forum can cater to the younger crowd, being the 240 and other cheap Nissans are affordable to them, BUT there is NO reason that the simplest cornerstones of our language can't be applied.

The answer, "because this is a car forum and i dont care what ne1 thinks about my sentenz when i talk about cars we all no what im talking about because my car stopped starting and the wipers r goin off at the same time cuz i think the alternator and ecu r broke when i took this corner to hard and tryed to drift." ]]> frapjap 2006-11-21T19:49:46-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2209866#2209866 Bump for those who might have missed this last week.Grammar, spelling, punctuation, capitalization, and the use of paragraphs makes for more intelligible posts. Please help make NICO both informative and literate. Grammar, spelling, punctuation, capitalization, and the use of paragraphs makes for more intelligible posts. Please help make NICO both informative and literate. ]]> ceningolmo 2006-11-21T16:54:12-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2195031#2195031 Quote, originally posted by gabossie IT WORKED! yeaa....when I was scrolled through the Gen. Chat all was saw was porn and i clicked into the thread and quickly searched through to find any pics. I was deceived Quote, originally posted by gabossie raquo;

IT WORKED!

yeaa....when I was scrolled through the Gen. Chat all was saw was porn and i clicked into the thread and quickly searched through to find any pics. I was deceived ]]> Zyphar 2006-11-14T22:50:53-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2194904#2194904 Quote, originally posted by Mr1der I srsly thought there were gonna be english teachers having sex in this....IT WORKED! Quote, originally posted by Mr1der raquo;I srsly thought there were gonna be english teachers having sex in this....

IT WORKED! ]]> gabossie 2006-11-14T21:55:05-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2194460#2194460 Quote, originally posted by Mr1der I srsly thought there were gonna be english teachers having sex in this.... Quote, originally posted by Mr1der raquo;I srsly thought there were gonna be english teachers having sex in this.... ]]> NSR_s30 2006-11-14T19:11:34-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2194210#2194210 I srsly thought there were gonna be english teachers having sex in this.... Mr1der 2006-11-14T17:43:40-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2194202#2194202 Quote, originally posted by szhosain That is hilarious! I don't know whether to laugh or shake my head in disgust. ZI expected it to be there, but I didn't expect such a long and detailed explanation. Quote, originally posted by szhosain raquo;

That is hilarious! I don't know whether to laugh or shake my head in disgust.

Z

I expected it to be there, but I didn't expect such a long and detailed explanation. ]]> C-Kwik 2006-11-14T17:41:42-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2194082#2194082 Quote, originally posted by Jesda I liked him on Frasier, but he was boring on Cheers. How did he spell his last nameZ Quote, originally posted by Jesda raquo;I liked him on Frasier, but he was boring on Cheers.

How did he spell his last name?

Z ]]> szhosain 2006-11-14T16:48:47-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2194080#2194080 Quote, originally posted by C-Kwik All the wikipedia links made me wonder...and viola!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeetNot that I encourange using it.That is hilarious! I don't know whether to laugh or shake my head in disgust. Z Quote, originally posted by C-Kwik raquo;All the wikipedia links made me wonder...and viola!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet

Not that I encourange using it.

That is hilarious! I don't know whether to laugh or shake my head in disgust.

Z ]]> szhosain 2006-11-14T16:48:03-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2193957#2193957 Like I said, in an ideal world, people's arguments would be judged by what they say. But this isn't an ideal world. People want credible sources. First impressions are huge. Yes, they can change over time, but first impressions last. People go with what they already know. There's somethign called confirmation bias that everyone has. Whether they know it or not, people will give more weight to events and evidence that support what they already believe. I'm all for dressing relaxed. I've worn sandals pretty much everyday for the better part of my life. But when I want to make an impression, I dress up. It's both a sign of respect for the person that you're trying to make a good impression on, as well as a sign of self-respect.You're right. People's opinions should be judged by what they are in and of themselves, not who is expressing them. But this is the real world. And that wasn't intended as a personal insult, it was to everyone who uses poor grammar, punctuation, and spelling and makes no effort to do otherwise. First impressions are huge. Yes, they can change over time, but first impressions last. People go with what they already know. There's somethign called confirmation bias that everyone has. Whether they know it or not, people will give more weight to events and evidence that support what they already believe.

I'm all for dressing relaxed. I've worn sandals pretty much everyday for the better part of my life. But when I want to make an impression, I dress up. It's both a sign of respect for the person that you're trying to make a good impression on, as well as a sign of self-respect.

You're right. People's opinions should be judged by what they are in and of themselves, not who is expressing them. But this is the real world.

And that wasn't intended as a personal insult, it was to everyone who uses poor grammar, punctuation, and spelling and makes no effort to do otherwise. ]]> M3Racer 2006-11-14T16:02:52-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=209315;postid=2193918#2193918 Quote, originally posted by nchopp By that justification, why should I take the extra split second to read your post that doesn't have correct capitalization I type about 105wpm, and I pretty much ALWAYS have proper grammar\spelling\punctuation\capitalization. So the "split second" doens't hold water. my justification was clearly a joke - not to be taken seriously. if you don't take that "split second" to read my post that lacks capitalization, you might miss something funny or miss out on a chance to learn something.Quote, originally posted by ceningolmo Is it a big deal I think so. Though, I agree it is probably the least important of the items I detailed in the original post.I believe there are two reasons why capitalization is important...1. Capitalization is an important factor in denoting additional emphasis or respect to certain words and titles. Primarily, peoples names. On an internet forum where screen names are used more commonly than real names, capitalization is less important when referring to people. But, out of respect, it would still be nice if you used "R" instead "r" at the beginning of my name (Ross) just so that I don't feel as though ross is roughly equal to stool, mushroom, road, or another minor object.2. Capitalization is a visual indicator of a change within sentence structure. For those of us who have been reading English our whole lives, the period (.) at the end of the sentence is always accompanied by a double tap of the space bar and then a word that has been capitalized. When any part of this equation is missing (period, double space, or capital letter) it becomes less intuitive to determine when you are finishing/starting a thought.well, thanks for at least hearing me out. whether or not i think it's important i guess is irrelevant as i don't make the rules here. i've never had anyone say that they have trouble reading my posts.Quote, originally posted by M3Racer With out capitalization, your post looks like one big sentence to me. It looks like you half-assed whatever you typed, which apparently, by your own admission, you did. If you argue with someone, and you come across as stupid, it doesn't matter if you're 100% correct. Is that the way it should be Probably not. But that's how it is. i dissagree. are you telling me someone with a stuttering problem can't win an arugment or someone who can't match his tie with his shirt and his pants can't win an arugment i think both of those people would come across as "stupid" if you will. that doesn't change the fact that they're right if they indeed are. Quote, originally posted by M3Racer It's like dressing up to go to a business meeting. Is that tie going to keep you warm Are your dress shoes going to be as comfortable as a pair of sandals No. But it says more to someone than you like the way a tie looks. It means you're a person who should be taken seriously. well, i'm not one to judge people by the way they look. i know, i know, i know, people get judged on their appearance, there's no way around that. however, that judgement is usually just a first impression. the way i type, much like the way i dress, says something about me: i don't care if it's not important. when i have to dress up, let's say for a business meeting or church, i undue the top botton, let me tie sag and untuck my shirt. if i can get away with it, i will. if i can't, i don't. if someone really wants to be a capitalization nazi, i'll change things. maybe if i told you i was an engineer and HAVE TO RIGHT HAND-SCRIPT LIKE THIS ALL DAY IT WOULD HELP YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT I LIKE TO type like this to balance things out in my head. call me wierd, or what you will.Quote, originally posted by M3Racer Without capitalization, you sound like a perpubescent teen talking on AIM. that's obviously your own opinion and probably the first impression that my typing style portrays. but when you read what i type, i'm obviously not. there's no need for name calling. Quote, originally posted by nchopp raquo; By that justification, why should I take the extra split second to read your post that doesn't have correct capitalization? I type about 105wpm, and I pretty much ALWAYS have proper grammar\spelling\punctuation\capitalization. So the "split second" doens't hold water.

my justification was clearly a joke - not to be taken seriously. if you don't take that "split second" to read my post that lacks capitalization, you might miss something funny or miss out on a chance to learn something.

Quote, originally posted by ceningolmo raquo;

Is it a big deal? I think so. Though, I agree it is probably the least important of the items I detailed in the original post. I believe there are two reasons why capitalization is important... 1. Capitalization is an important factor in denoting additional emphasis or respect to certain words and titles. Primarily, peoples names. On an internet forum where screen names are used more commonly than real names, capitalization is less important when referring to people. But, out of respect, it would still be nice if you used "R" instead "r" at the beginning of my name (Ross) just so that I don't feel as though ross is roughly equal to stool, mushroom, road, or another minor object. 2. Capitalization is a visual indicator of a change within sentence structure. For those of us who have been reading English our whole lives, the period (.) at the end of the sentence is always accompanied by a double tap of the space bar and then a word that has been capitalized. When any part of this equation is missing (period, double space, or capital letter) it becomes less intuitive to determine when you are finishing/starting a thought.

well, thanks for at least hearing me out. whether or not i think it's important i guess is irrelevant as i don't make the rules here. i've never had anyone say that they have trouble reading my posts.

Quote, originally posted by M3Racer raquo;

With out capitalization, your post looks like one big sentence to me. It looks like you half-assed whatever you typed, which apparently, by your own admission, you did. If you argue with someone, and you come across as stupid, it doesn't matter if you're 100% correct. Is that the way it should be? Probably not. But that's how it is.

i dissagree. are you telling me someone with a stuttering problem can't win an arugment or someone who can't match his tie with his shirt and his pants can't win an arugment? i think both of those people would come across as "stupid" if you will. that doesn't change the fact that they're right if they indeed are.

Quote, originally posted by M3Racer raquo;

It's like dressing up to go to a business meeting. Is that tie going to keep you warm? Are your dress shoes going to be as comfortable as a pair of sandals? No. But it says more to someone than you like the way a tie looks. It means you're a person who should be taken seriously.

well, i'm not one to judge people by the way they look. i know, i know, i know, people get judged on their appearance, there's no way around that. however, that judgement is usually just a first impression.

the way i type, much like the way i dress, says something about me: i don't care if it's not important. when i have to dress up, let's say for a business meeting or church, i undue the top botton, let me tie sag and untuck my shirt. if i can get away with it, i will. if i can't, i don't. if someone really wants to be a capitalization nazi, i'll change things.

maybe if i told you i was an engineer and HAVE TO RIGHT HAND-SCRIPT LIKE THIS ALL DAY IT WOULD HELP YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT I LIKE TO type like this to balance things out in my head. call me wierd, or what you will.

Quote, originally posted by M3Racer raquo;

Without capitalization, you sound like a perpubescent teen talking on AIM.

that's obviously your own opinion and probably the first impression that my typing style portrays. but when you read what i type, i'm obviously not. there's no need for name calling. ]]> DeXteR 2006-11-14T15:46:47-08:00