since its the week before SEMA i havent spent a dime haha, im not in a hurry for this upgrade lol

but i might be going an entirely different direction that would involve removal of the RB all together and something else going in ]]> Joe 2006-10-21T11:53:09-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2140917#2140917 so did you end up with a setup just curious. any work with the ems yet the_momo 2006-10-21T09:59:57-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2131276#2131276 Quote, originally posted by Spazz any chance we could work something out for an ems that cheap lol no Quote, originally posted by Spazz raquo;

any chance we could work something out for an ems that cheap?

lol no ]]> Joe 2006-10-17T09:11:00-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2131116#2131116 Quote, originally posted by Kamin you can connect the EMS to your house PC and upload the basemap if you have tohe is probably asking if its a plug and play replacement for the factory computer (no wiring), if so, yes. it plugs into the stock harness with no wiring modification unless you change to a MAP sensor. You're ghetto if you do that... lolAnyway you still need to set base timing and calibrate the TPS with the aem. I guess you could lug the whole computer outside if you needed to...The PFC is truely PNP the aem is almost PNP. Quote, originally posted by Kamin raquo;you can connect the EMS to your house PC and upload the basemap if you have to

he is probably asking if its a plug and play replacement for the factory computer (no wiring), if so, yes. it plugs into the stock harness with no wiring modification unless you change to a MAP sensor.

You're ghetto if you do that... lol
Anyway you still need to set base timing and calibrate the TPS with the aem. I guess you could lug the whole computer outside if you needed to...

The PFC is truely PNP the aem is almost PNP. ]]> eh 2006-10-17T07:40:40-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2131088#2131088 Quote, originally posted by Kamin and yea, i wouldnt event consider the EMS if i had to pay somewhere near retail. i dont NEED that much adjustability for only 400hp lolany chance we could work something out for an ems that cheap Quote, originally posted by Kamin raquo;

and yea, i wouldnt event consider the EMS if i had to pay somewhere near retail. i dont NEED that much adjustability for only 400hp lol

any chance we could work something out for an ems that cheap?
]]> Spazz 2006-10-17T07:19:04-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2129562#2129562 maf sensors are gay only if they are restrictive and nissan mafs are not restrictive.toyota mafs on the other hand are and thats why supras pick up stupid power from ditching the maf because the motor is literaly sucking air thru a 1.5" hole.speed density is 'easy' to tune but is too dependent on too much, change exhaust or intake and the car requires a retune...drive higher in altitude requires retune...or if you live where it gets cold in the winter yet another retune.maf is so incredibly flexible and accurate that imho unless the car is out right drag oriented ditching the maf isnt a good idea. toyota mafs on the other hand are and thats why supras pick up stupid power from ditching the maf because the motor is literaly sucking air thru a 1.5" hole.
speed density is 'easy' to tune but is too dependent on too much, change exhaust or intake and the car requires a retune...drive higher in altitude requires retune...or if you live where it gets cold in the winter yet another retune.
maf is so incredibly flexible and accurate that imho unless the car is out right drag oriented ditching the maf isnt a good idea. ]]> Carl H 2006-10-16T15:37:20-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2128935#2128935 **** that, speed density = the ****MAF sensors are gay. and yea, i wouldnt event consider the EMS if i had to pay somewhere near retail. i dont NEED that much adjustability for only 400hp lol MAF sensors are gay.

and yea, i wouldnt event consider the EMS if i had to pay somewhere near retail. i dont NEED that much adjustability for only 400hp lol ]]> Joe 2006-10-16T11:23:13-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2128917#2128917 map sensor ftl.if the ems is as cheap as i think it is at your cost kamin it might be worth it...but for most ppl pfc is actualy affordable. if the ems is as cheap as i think it is at your cost kamin it might be worth it...but for most ppl pfc is actualy affordable. ]]> Carl H 2006-10-16T11:15:52-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2128642#2128642 you can connect the EMS to your house PC and upload the basemap if you have tohe is probably asking if its a plug and play replacement for the factory computer (no wiring), if so, yes. it plugs into the stock harness with no wiring modification unless you change to a MAP sensor. he is probably asking if its a plug and play replacement for the factory computer (no wiring), if so, yes. it plugs into the stock harness with no wiring modification unless you change to a MAP sensor. ]]> Joe 2006-10-16T09:16:04-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2128638#2128638 Quote, originally posted by 300Plus OK well that settles that, you buy both give me the other, we both test them and see which works better.... I see no flaw in that plan lol.Is the EMS plug and play for the rb20 and 25 No you need a laptop to upload the maps base for each. Quote, originally posted by 300Plus raquo;

OK well that settles that, you buy both give me the other, we both test them and see which works better.... I see no flaw in that plan lol.

Is the EMS plug and play for the rb20 and 25?

No you need a laptop to upload the maps base for each. ]]> eh 2006-10-16T09:13:35-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2128628#2128628 Quote, originally posted by Kamin the AEM price means nothing for me, I am an AEM dealer at work.the PFC and AEM will cost about the same. OK well that settles that, you buy both give me the other, we both test them and see which works better.... I see no flaw in that plan lol.Is the EMS plug and play for the rb20 and 25 Quote, originally posted by Kamin raquo;

the AEM price means nothing for me, I am an AEM dealer at work.

the PFC and AEM will cost about the same.

OK well that settles that, you buy both give me the other, we both test them and see which works better.... I see no flaw in that plan lol.

Is the EMS plug and play for the rb20 and 25? ]]> 300Plus 2006-10-16T09:09:33-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2128571#2128571 Quote, originally posted by Spazz the pfc or aem ems will work for your powergoals, no doubt about that.The pfc will leave you some gas money to get home withthe AEM price means nothing for me, I am an AEM dealer at work.the PFC and AEM will cost about the same. Quote, originally posted by Spazz raquo;
the pfc or aem ems will work for your powergoals, no doubt about that.
The pfc will leave you some gas money to get home with

the AEM price means nothing for me, I am an AEM dealer at work.

the PFC and AEM will cost about the same.

]]> Joe 2006-10-16T08:41:18-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2128466#2128466 Quote, originally posted by Carl H seriously the aem is REALLY overrated...the pfc works really well, all the aem does is give you the ability to eff up the motor a hell of a lot faster.the pfc or aem ems will work for your powergoals, no doubt about that.The pfc will leave you some gas money to get home with Quote, originally posted by Carl H raquo;seriously the aem is REALLY overrated...
the pfc works really well, all the aem does is give you the ability to eff up the motor a hell of a lot faster.
the pfc or aem ems will work for your powergoals, no doubt about that.
The pfc will leave you some gas money to get home with ]]> Spazz 2006-10-16T07:36:47-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2127849#2127849 seriously the aem is REALLY overrated...the pfc works really well, all the aem does is give you the ability to eff up the motor a hell of a lot faster. the pfc works really well, all the aem does is give you the ability to eff up the motor a hell of a lot faster. ]]> Carl H 2006-10-15T20:18:02-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2127608#2127608 ^^^ I'm with spazz. I'm looking more into AEM EMS myself. Not a turbo buff but the bigger the better.... who cares about spool time..... j/k lol 300Plus 2006-10-15T19:02:58-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2126420#2126420 Quote, originally posted by Carl H gt30r ftw, as goofynick said... .63ar and that thing will be uber responsive on a 25.and for one thing if the motor is cranking out 325whp at 15psi but if you cant tune it to run 20 on pump then something is wrong there...at 18psi i was WELL within knock limits and egt's looked good, that being said i still will install this aquamist system i have to keep temps down on long pulls.+1 for the gt30r and +1 for the aem ems. Quote, originally posted by Carl H raquo;gt30r ftw, as goofynick said... .63ar and that thing will be uber responsive on a 25.
and for one thing if the motor is cranking out 325whp at 15psi but if you cant tune it to run 20 on pump then something is wrong there...
at 18psi i was WELL within knock limits and egt's looked good, that being said i still will install this aquamist system i have to keep temps down on long pulls.

+1 for the gt30r and +1 for the aem ems.

]]> Spazz 2006-10-15T01:29:30-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2123352#2123352 lol im never surefuel - walboro 255lph, Nismo FPRCooling - Koyo, 2 12" perma cool fans, some custom ducting and blocking platesDrivetrain - RPS MAX clutch (sprung 6 puck), Kaaz 1.5way differential fuel - walboro 255lph, Nismo FPR
Cooling - Koyo, 2 12" perma cool fans, some custom ducting and blocking plates
Drivetrain - RPS MAX clutch (sprung 6 puck), Kaaz 1.5way differential ]]> Joe 2006-10-13T08:45:13-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2123226#2123226 You Kamin duh.... -Bluefire

-Bluefire ]]> Bluefire 2006-10-13T07:23:30-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2122904#2122904 me or carl lol Joe 2006-10-12T23:26:41-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2122883#2122883 what kind of mods do you have done to your engine so far fuel drivetrain cooling induction etc...-Bluefire -Bluefire ]]> Bluefire 2006-10-12T23:12:27-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2122596#2122596 gt30r ftw, as goofynick said... .63ar and that thing will be uber responsive on a 25.and for one thing if the motor is cranking out 325whp at 15psi but if you cant tune it to run 20 on pump then something is wrong there...at 18psi i was WELL within knock limits and egt's looked good, that being said i still will install this aquamist system i have to keep temps down on long pulls. and for one thing if the motor is cranking out 325whp at 15psi but if you cant tune it to run 20 on pump then something is wrong there...
at 18psi i was WELL within knock limits and egt's looked good, that being said i still will install this aquamist system i have to keep temps down on long pulls. ]]> Carl H 2006-10-12T21:07:21-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2122415#2122415 honestly, i totally agree with you. i have only recently started to post a lot. (laid off for a while, and yeah, my car is a bit of a hike away) so yeah. dont pay any attention to my idiot posts. my direction, responsive 300whp and then learn to drive. i think that is something that everyone here could benifit from. next spring if i can swing it i am going to try to get some driving lessons. then more track time.i think that really there is going to be something compromised no matter what you decide to go with. if there were a perfect setup, everyone would be using it. the less stressed parts are, the longer they last, and imho, that would be number one on my list. best of luck. and kamin, if you end up trying a dozen different turbos, be sure to pass the love on down to some fellow rb owners... . im personally looking at a bb garrett 30 series. so many different choices. my direction, responsive 300whp and then learn to drive. i think that is something that everyone here could benifit from. next spring if i can swing it i am going to try to get some driving lessons. then more track time.

i think that really there is going to be something compromised no matter what you decide to go with. if there were a perfect setup, everyone would be using it. the less stressed parts are, the longer they last, and imho, that would be number one on my list. best of luck. and kamin, if you end up trying a dozen different turbos, be sure to pass the love on down to some fellow rb owners... . im personally looking at a bb garrett 30 series. so many different choices.
]]> the_momo 2006-10-12T19:46:32-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2122357#2122357 Quote, originally posted by the_momo i think what the dude was saying is that he has the formula for the fastest motor out there, and we all should bow at his feet. mmm, no thats not what i was saying at allQuote, originally posted by the_momo i bet you have a really incredibly enormous...ego. kamin, forget dumb people. youre a mod. everyone is a big man on the keyboard. im sure itll all work out for the best, and good luck with what direction you decide to pursue.nope, no ego at all, my car is beat up but it's fun and i want more. sorry you didn't agree, and that i kind of got offended because he treated my idea like i had leoprosy or something. irregrardless of your closed minded opinion it would work and i am waiting on the same parts for my car as we speak, as i have similar interests in what i do with my car.Quote, originally posted by the_momo there is a thing i always tell people about any of the cars ive ever built. "rarely does a 300whp 2800lb car feel slow" the more responsive car is always faster. this is true but a 300 hp 2800lb car only feels fast for so long, then it's time to go up. if i put a 35r on my car i'll be able to make 400whp on pump and that is what i want. if i want more i can put race gas in the car and probably make about 550-600. i drive my car on the street and need to run pump most of the time. i have a gt35r on my 2liter integra and actually you would be suprised by how fast it spools, its totally driveble but you can only have so much fun with that much power hitting the ground from the wrong end of the car... Quote, originally posted by the_momo really people, if you want to give advice when its asked, give it. if not, GTFOjust a waste of time. and dont be offended when someone with 18 posts gets beat down by someone with 3000 plus. i bet more people are going to side with the one they know. i didn't get beat down i just stopped checking this thread because i thought originally, that it would be open to ideas, not that he just wanted approval on what was already in his mind, and there is nothing wrong with that, if that is how he wants to do his car, by all means do it. a smaller turbo at 18-20 lbs might be ok on pump, or, if you run fuel all of the time anyway then i guess its a non issue. you will probably meet your power goal that way, a buddy of mine has a gts-4 corrado with a 2liter 20 valve hybrid motor and he runs a garrett gt30r on it, he has to run race fuel to run above 20psi and at 15 the car only lays down 325 to the wheels. i know that with the extra displacement of the engine in my 240 a 35r would spool the same as the 30r does on his 2 liter car and i could more than likely pull 400 off on pump with ease and that is what i want for my car. i understand if my opinions arent welcome here because i dont have as many posts as you guys but i just chalk my lack of posts up to the fact that most of my time is spent in my shop after work or driving one of my cars. i dont have a job where i can be on the net during the day... sorry... my post count will always be down... Quote, originally posted by the_momo raquo;i think what the dude was saying is that he has the formula for the fastest motor out there, and we all should bow at his feet.
mmm, no thats not what i was saying at all

Quote, originally posted by the_momo raquo;

i bet you have a really incredibly enormous...ego. kamin, forget dumb people. youre a mod. everyone is a big man on the keyboard. im sure itll all work out for the best, and good luck with what direction you decide to pursue.

nope, no ego at all, my car is beat up but it's fun and i want more. sorry you didn't agree, and that i kind of got offended because he treated my idea like i had leoprosy or something. irregrardless of your closed minded opinion it would work and i am waiting on the same parts for my car as we speak, as i have similar interests in what i do with my car.

Quote, originally posted by the_momo raquo;

there is a thing i always tell people about any of the cars ive ever built. "rarely does a 300whp 2800lb car feel slow" the more responsive car is always faster.

this is true but a 300 hp 2800lb car only feels fast for so long, then it's time to go up. if i put a 35r on my car i'll be able to make 400whp on pump and that is what i want. if i want more i can put race gas in the car and probably make about 550-600. i drive my car on the street and need to run pump most of the time. i have a gt35r on my 2liter integra and actually you would be suprised by how fast it spools, its totally driveble but you can only have so much fun with that much power hitting the ground from the wrong end of the car...

Quote, originally posted by the_momo raquo;

really people, if you want to give advice when its asked, give it. if not, GTFO just a waste of time. and dont be offended when someone with 18 posts gets beat down by someone with 3000 plus. i bet more people are going to side with the one they know.

i didn't get beat down i just stopped checking this thread because i thought originally, that it would be open to ideas, not that he just wanted approval on what was already in his mind, and there is nothing wrong with that, if that is how he wants to do his car, by all means do it. a smaller turbo at 18-20 lbs might be ok on pump, or, if you run fuel all of the time anyway then i guess its a non issue. you will probably meet your power goal that way, a buddy of mine has a gts-4 corrado with a 2liter 20 valve hybrid motor and he runs a garrett gt30r on it, he has to run race fuel to run above 20psi and at 15 the car only lays down 325 to the wheels. i know that with the extra displacement of the engine in my 240 a 35r would spool the same as the 30r does on his 2 liter car and i could more than likely pull 400 off on pump with ease and that is what i want for my car. i understand if my opinions arent welcome here because i dont have as many posts as you guys but i just chalk my lack of posts up to the fact that most of my time is spent in my shop after work or driving one of my cars. i dont have a job where i can be on the net during the day... sorry... my post count will always be down... ]]> rbosacco 2006-10-12T19:21:05-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2115911#2115911 if response is a goal and 400whp is the highest you're looking to attaint i would look into a t3 based gt2871r, i think you can get a t3 internally gated one from ATPturbo. no need to get a turbo to big for the application at hand (gt30r and +) let us know what you go with. klh6686 2006-10-09T22:34:23-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2114376#2114376 HOLY CRAP!!! goofynick is back! Welcome back buddy! ]]> Eikon 2006-10-09T13:23:30-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2114172#2114172 GT3076R with .63 housing..it will rock goofynick6 2006-10-09T11:43:10-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2114058#2114058 Quote, originally posted by the_momo formula for the fastest motor out theremoney=whp Quote, originally posted by the_momo raquo;formula for the fastest motor out there

money=whp? ]]> RB20DETodd 2006-10-09T10:54:06-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2112915#2112915 i think what the dude was saying is that he has the formula for the fastest motor out there, and we all should bow at his feet. i bet you have a really incredibly enormous...ego. kamin, forget dumb people. youre a mod. everyone is a big man on the keyboard. im sure itll all work out for the best, and good luck with what direction you decide to pursue.there is a thing i always tell people about any of the cars ive ever built. "rarely does a 300whp 2800lb car feel slow" the more responsive car is always faster. really people, if you want to give advice when its asked, give it. if not, GTFOjust a waste of time. and dont be offended when someone with 18 posts gets beat down by someone with 3000 plus. i bet more people are going to side with the one they know. i bet you have a really incredibly enormous...ego.
kamin, forget dumb people. youre a mod. everyone is a big man on the keyboard. im sure itll all work out for the best, and good luck with what direction you decide to pursue.

there is a thing i always tell people about any of the cars ive ever built.
"rarely does a 300whp 2800lb car feel slow" the more responsive car is always faster.

really people, if you want to give advice when its asked, give it. if not, GTFO
just a waste of time. and dont be offended when someone with 18 posts gets beat down by someone with 3000 plus. i bet more people are going to side with the one they know. ]]> the_momo 2006-10-08T19:24:11-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2112566#2112566 just because i dont have first hand experience picking a turbo for a full blown track car dosent mean i dont know anything about turbos or how to size them. i DO know the math and i DO know what i need from my setup. real world is different than paper. whats why i made this thread. let me reitterate my point. budget setup that will get me 400whp.let me reitterate what you told me. "stop being a cheapass you should have gone sr20" maybe in your twisted mind thats helpfull, but i took that as an attack because im trying to do things on a limited budget because this is the beginning of my racing season. the reason i made this thread was for input from other members for a well rounded budget 400whp setup. you obviously cant see what im going for, so just stop giving me your "advice". p.s. way to take 3 sentences out of context. let me reitterate my point. budget setup that will get me 400whp.

let me reitterate what you told me. "stop being a cheapass you should have gone sr20" maybe in your twisted mind thats helpfull, but i took that as an attack because im trying to do things on a limited budget because this is the beginning of my racing season.

the reason i made this thread was for input from other members for a well rounded budget 400whp setup. you obviously cant see what im going for, so just stop giving me your "advice".

p.s. way to take 3 sentences out of context. ]]> Joe 2006-10-08T16:31:54-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2112562#2112562 Quote, originally posted by Kamin listen up jackassI have no first hand experience dont be a prick.i made a good suggestion, just remember you said Quote, originally posted by Kamin I have no first hand experience. so dont talk down to me about my suggestions. you DONT know what a good idea is. i tried to be helpful, and i'm the prick hmmmm. ok...... i'll leave it at that.... Quote, originally posted by Kamin raquo;

listen up jackass

I have no first hand experience

dont be a prick.

i made a good suggestion, just remember you said

Quote, originally posted by Kamin raquo;

I have no first hand experience.

so dont talk down to me about my suggestions. you DONT know what a good idea is. i tried to be helpful, and i'm the prick? hmmmm. ok...... i'll leave it at that.... ]]> rbosacco 2006-10-08T16:30:05-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2112296#2112296 Quote, originally posted by krayton OH SNAP SON!you just got served LOL you got served hahahaha Quote, originally posted by krayton raquo;

OH SNAP SON!

you just got served

LOL you got served hahahaha ]]> Yellow4g63 2006-10-08T13:54:51-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2112083#2112083 Quote, originally posted by rbosacco Howard over at AR FAB setup and tuned my ems in my 240, I have a stock s1 rb25det swap and a front mount. The car runs amazing. the stock gate wont hold anymore than 10.5 lbs after 5500 and the car still made really good numbers! Diveability is so much better now that the car is speed density. I think i need new tires now....well if you wanted cheap you should have bought an sr20, and if you dont even want to spend enough money to go external gate then whats the point in any of this. your gonna just buy whatevers cheap. so... what upgrades are on your car and what power does it lay out. i know that my car isn't a godsend or anything like that but for a quick tune and how much driveability i gained over the maf i wont ever go back. if you want a cheap manifold buy a 100dollar ebay t3 tubular one and brace it so it wont crack and buy a decent turbo. spend money on a good engine management or just deal with an afc or power fc. end result is that its your decision and no one is gonna change your mind, so what was the point of this topic anyway if you already know what you want to do....listen up jackassI may be doing this on a budget, but dont talk down to me. there is a BIG difference between doing something ON A BUDGET and doing it to be CHEAP. I dont have to have the biggest and the best because to be blunt, I dont NEED the biggest and the best. If the internal gate on my IHI turbo is maxed at 450whp, GREAT! ill never reach it. 1) the 100$ ebay manifolds DONT EVEN FIT. so bracing them is the least of the problems2) for the relativley low power goals i have there is no need to go to a tube manifold/external gate. I'm not trying to squeeze every single horsepower out of the car. i have a goal, im going to reach it. 3) im not spending the money on an external gate because im in the middle of a racing points series here in arizona where the last weekend at the track i spent 700$ between tires, entry fees and travel. my next event is in 2 weeks so i have to do it again. If i want to finish this before the season ends and let me be competetive with the top guys (I'm tied for 3rd, the other people above me are all 330whp+) i cant have this project take me 8 months to complete because i spent 2000$ on a tube manifold or it took full race 3 weeks to add an external wastegate to my stock manifold. 4) i made this thread for suggesions. while yours are ignorant, i will still listen to them. I have no first hand experience doing an upgraded turbo on a RB25 for what i do, so i ask my community for suggestions. dont be a prick. Quote, originally posted by rbosacco raquo;Howard over at AR FAB setup and tuned my ems in my 240, I have a stock s1 rb25det swap and a front mount. The car runs amazing. the stock gate wont hold anymore than 10.5 lbs after 5500 and the car still made really good numbers! Diveability is so much better now that the car is speed density. I think i need new tires now....

well if you wanted cheap you should have bought an sr20, and if you dont even want to spend enough money to go external gate then whats the point in any of this. your gonna just buy whatevers cheap. so... what upgrades are on your car and what power does it lay out. i know that my car isn't a godsend or anything like that but for a quick tune and how much driveability i gained over the maf i wont ever go back. if you want a cheap manifold buy a 100dollar ebay t3 tubular one and brace it so it wont crack and buy a decent turbo. spend money on a good engine management or just deal with an afc or power fc. end result is that its your decision and no one is gonna change your mind, so what was the point of this topic anyway if you already know what you want to do....

listen up jackass

I may be doing this on a budget, but dont talk down to me. there is a BIG difference between doing something ON A BUDGET and doing it to be CHEAP. I dont have to have the biggest and the best because to be blunt, I dont NEED the biggest and the best. If the internal gate on my IHI turbo is maxed at 450whp, GREAT! ill never reach it.

1) the 100$ ebay manifolds DONT EVEN FIT. so bracing them is the least of the problems

2) for the relativley low power goals i have there is no need to go to a tube manifold/external gate. I'm not trying to squeeze every single horsepower out of the car. i have a goal, im going to reach it.

3) im not spending the money on an external gate because im in the middle of a racing points series here in arizona where the last weekend at the track i spent 700$ between tires, entry fees and travel. my next event is in 2 weeks so i have to do it again. If i want to finish this before the season ends and let me be competetive with the top guys (I'm tied for 3rd, the other people above me are all 330whp+) i cant have this project take me 8 months to complete because i spent 2000$ on a tube manifold or it took full race 3 weeks to add an external wastegate to my stock manifold.

4) i made this thread for suggesions. while yours are ignorant, i will still listen to them. I have no first hand experience doing an upgraded turbo on a RB25 for what i do, so i ask my community for suggestions.

dont be a prick.

]]> Joe 2006-10-08T11:51:41-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2112049#2112049 Quote, originally posted by rbosacco well if you wanted cheap you should have bought an sr20 OH SNAP SON!you just got served Quote, originally posted by rbosacco raquo;well if you wanted cheap you should have bought an sr20

OH SNAP SON!

you just got served ]]> krayton 2006-10-08T11:30:54-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2112045#2112045 Howard over at AR FAB setup and tuned my ems in my 240, I have a stock s1 rb25det swap and a front mount. The car runs amazing. the stock gate wont hold anymore than 10.5 lbs after 5500 and the car still made really good numbers! Diveability is so much better now that the car is speed density. I think i need new tires now....well if you wanted cheap you should have bought an sr20, and if you dont even want to spend enough money to go external gate then whats the point in any of this. your gonna just buy whatevers cheap. so... what upgrades are on your car and what power does it lay out. i know that my car isn't a godsend or anything like that but for a quick tune and how much driveability i gained over the maf i wont ever go back. if you want a cheap manifold buy a 100dollar ebay t3 tubular one and brace it so it wont crack and buy a decent turbo. spend money on a good engine management or just deal with an afc or power fc. end result is that its your decision and no one is gonna change your mind, so what was the point of this topic anyway if you already know what you want to do....

well if you wanted cheap you should have bought an sr20, and if you dont even want to spend enough money to go external gate then whats the point in any of this. your gonna just buy whatevers cheap. so... what upgrades are on your car and what power does it lay out. i know that my car isn't a godsend or anything like that but for a quick tune and how much driveability i gained over the maf i wont ever go back. if you want a cheap manifold buy a 100dollar ebay t3 tubular one and brace it so it wont crack and buy a decent turbo. spend money on a good engine management or just deal with an afc or power fc. end result is that its your decision and no one is gonna change your mind, so what was the point of this topic anyway if you already know what you want to do.... ]]> rbosacco 2006-10-08T11:28:02-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2108924#2108924 as soon as someone from az wants to spend 1500ish on a full race manifold hahaso probably never. so probably never. ]]> Joe 2006-10-06T10:47:18-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2108781#2108781 Any ETA for the manifold I just got a fricken HKS manifold damn it. I just got a fricken HKS manifold damn it. ]]> eh 2006-10-06T09:01:12-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2108772#2108772 i stand corrected on the PFCbut full race has approached a couple RB owners in AZ to prototype a manifold for parts and labor. about $1500. hehe never the less its way too god damnded expensive and ill sacrifice a couple hundred rpm spool time and 2% HP drop using my stock manifold. same goes with internal wastegate. it works fine. may not be the most efficent but its gonna be an assload cheaper. but full race has approached a couple RB owners in AZ to prototype a manifold for parts and labor. about $1500. hehe

never the less its way too god damnded expensive and ill sacrifice a couple hundred rpm spool time and 2% HP drop using my stock manifold.

same goes with internal wastegate. it works fine. may not be the most efficent but its gonna be an assload cheaper. ]]> Joe 2006-10-06T08:55:34-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2108770#2108770 Full race... more like $2400 for the manifold.RB25 PFC doesn't run map, there is no d-jetro version. The only other version was the "pro" which had soft rpm cut and basic two step. RB25 PFC doesn't run map, there is no d-jetro version. The only other version was the "pro" which had soft rpm cut and basic two step. ]]> eh 2006-10-06T08:50:24-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2108758#2108758 full race manifold hahahatheir **** is amazing but im not paying 1500$ for a manifold. and a GT35r is too big for road course use. i dont need 500whp. p.s. the power fc can run speed density too if im not mistaken. their **** is amazing but im not paying 1500$ for a manifold. and a GT35r is too big for road course use. i dont need 500whp.

p.s. the power fc can run speed density too if im not mistaken. ]]> Joe 2006-10-06T08:41:08-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2107948#2107948 are you ****ing kidding memap more repsonsive than maf, come on now.the aem is not the end all be all, it has its own set of issues.imho for a drift car the 35r is too large, a 30r .63 would be better. map more repsonsive than maf, come on now.
the aem is not the end all be all, it has its own set of issues.
imho for a drift car the 35r is too large, a 30r .63 would be better. ]]> Carl H 2006-10-05T20:07:57-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2107654#2107654 Quote, originally posted by rbsileighty I'd say GT35R with a proper exhaust mani will be your friend on pump gas... with room to grow when you find a 110 pump at a station the most intelligent idea on here yet. if you are serious about wanting your car to be competitive you cannot go internal gate. they suck. PERIOD. buy a nice external gate. also, aem is the best thing you can do to the electronics on your car. my stock s1 rb25 made 307hp and 323tq last night at 10.5 psi, which was all the stock gate would hold. if you want your car to be well built with room to turn it up in the future...,you should do a full race manifoldgt35r880cc injectors aem ems and convert the car to speed density with the aem it will be exactly what you described and if you get a real aem trained shop to tune the car you will be amazed with how much more drivable the car will be after it is speed density on aem. do it you wont be disappointed...i run the 3.5bar map and their ait. its worth it. my car is a blast, and stock with a front mount and exhaust. AEM Quote, originally posted by rbsileighty raquo;I'd say GT35R with a proper exhaust mani will be your friend on pump gas... with room to grow when you find a 110 pump at a station

the most intelligent idea on here yet. if you are serious about wanting your car to be competitive you cannot go internal gate. they suck. PERIOD. buy a nice external gate. also, aem is the best thing you can do to the electronics on your car. my stock s1 rb25 made 307hp and 323tq last night at 10.5 psi, which was all the stock gate would hold.

if you want your car to be well built with room to turn it up in the future...,
you should do a

full race manifold
gt35r
880cc injectors
aem ems and convert the car to speed density with the aem

it will be exactly what you described and if you get a real aem trained shop to tune the car you will be amazed with how much more drivable the car will be after it is speed density on aem. do it you wont be disappointed...

i run the 3.5bar map and their ait. its worth it. my car is a blast, and stock with a front mount and exhaust.

AEM ]]> rbosacco 2006-10-05T18:25:25-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2105158#2105158 Not sure on all of this logic...Here's the stats on fuel pumps... posted this a few times before:http://www.stealth316.com/2-fuelpumpguide.htmAs for a turbo... on pump gas (key point) you are going to need something big enough not to need a lot of boost since you're running a 9:1 CR and still make that powerTial is not a fan of the 3071 internal gate setup... the owner showed me the inside and it ruins a good turbo to make it work.... that is the same turbo I use to want on my 20.I'd say for what you're looking for GT35R... there is something to be said about matching turbine and compressor wheels. The old truck compressor on a pinwheel turbine idea is for the old T-series logic and not worth the time. Look out for turbine housing materials as well... iron housings will scale after long exposure to high heat (ie track days). You get what you pay for in a turbo...One idea is to run a big 16G or a 20G... but you're going to have issues with the manifold unless you go aftermarket... which if you do you might as well go GT series BB.For the displacement you have... I'd say GT35R with a proper exhaust mani will be your friend on pump gas... with room to grow when you find a 110 pump at a station Modified by rbsileighty at 7:18 PM 10/4/2006 Here's the stats on fuel pumps... posted this a few times before:
http://www.stealth316.com/2-fuelpumpguide.htm

As for a turbo... on pump gas (key point) you are going to need something big enough not to need a lot of boost since you're running a 9:1 CR and still make that power

Tial is not a fan of the 3071 internal gate setup... the owner showed me the inside and it ruins a good turbo to make it work.... that is the same turbo I use to want on my 20.

I'd say for what you're looking for GT35R... there is something to be said about matching turbine and compressor wheels. The old truck compressor on a pinwheel turbine idea is for the old T-series logic and not worth the time.

Look out for turbine housing materials as well... iron housings will scale after long exposure to high heat (ie track days). You get what you pay for in a turbo...

One idea is to run a big 16G or a 20G... but you're going to have issues with the manifold unless you go aftermarket... which if you do you might as well go GT series BB.

For the displacement you have... I'd say GT35R with a proper exhaust mani will be your friend on pump gas... with room to grow when you find a 110 pump at a station

Modified by rbsileighty at 7:18 PM 10/4/2006 ]]> rbsileighty 2006-10-04T15:51:20-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2104695#2104695 i'm running a denso supra tt fuel pump, hardwired to the battery. i've never done official testing to verify that the "fuel hose is running out", but seeeing 94% to keep my AFRs at low to mid 11s for a WOT run to make 400 rwhp seems like a bit much to me.its tough to find hard statistics b/c most poeple plop in the walbro and call it a day, staying under 350 wheel.i tried checking the SAU forums for the bigger hp guys, and most people run a sump w/ the single or dual bosch 044's, of course with braided lines. Modified by gawdzilla at 12:55 PM 10/4/2006 its tough to find hard statistics b/c most poeple plop in the walbro and call it a day, staying under 350 wheel.

i tried checking the SAU forums for the bigger hp guys, and most people run a sump w/ the single or dual bosch 044's, of course with braided lines.

Modified by gawdzilla at 12:55 PM 10/4/2006 ]]> gawdzilla 2006-10-04T12:26:17-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2104248#2104248 right now ive got a walboro 255lph, that should be overkill for a 400whp setup. but i want to hear more about the stock fuel system not supporting it. you realy think it isnt enoughand i actually got a turbo. one of my good friends has a RB25 direct replacment IHI turbo good to 500hp lying around he is hooking me up with. and i actually got a turbo. one of my good friends has a RB25 direct replacment IHI turbo good to 500hp lying around he is hooking me up with. ]]> Joe 2006-10-04T09:09:29-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2104118#2104118 i think the trick is having a pump capable of suppling the injectors.i run a tomei r32 gtr pump in my tank and its rated at 550hp, and i would assume thats on a stock fuel system (well supply and return lines at min.).i run 720cc injectors in my car, overkill yes,but it offers EXTREMELY lowe duty cycles which are good for long pulls, and if you are going to be seeing wot for quite some time over a large range of rpm then a large injector would be good as you wont be running near limit. i run a tomei r32 gtr pump in my tank and its rated at 550hp, and i would assume thats on a stock fuel system (well supply and return lines at min.).
i run 720cc injectors in my car, overkill yes,but it offers EXTREMELY lowe duty cycles which are good for long pulls, and if you are going to be seeing wot for quite some time over a large range of rpm then a large injector would be good as you wont be running near limit. ]]> Carl H 2006-10-04T07:38:35-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2104101#2104101 i'm not sure about others, but 650s on stock fuel system (8mm barbed hose+rail+in tank pump) is too big. i ran 550's and made 400 and some change rwhp... with duty cycles in the low 90s.. granted i was fairly rich, the duty cycle was a good deal higher than i anticipated which makes me think the fuel system is maxing out. most ppl say on the S chassis the max you can safely run w/ the system is 700cc on an SR. 700x4 = 2800cc. 550x6 is 3300cc already... just something to think about.650 x 6 is a big injector that you can't "fully utilize" with the stock system IMO. i think even 550 is pushing it.. i think mid 300 wheel is a safe number to aim for, and they can be obtained with 550cc's. with budget in mind i'd keep the stock mani and run a pfc with a z32 maf, maybe even safc if you want to save another few hundo. safc will still work fine for the occassional 400 wheel dyno pull imo. i ran 550's and made 400 and some change rwhp... with duty cycles in the low 90s.. granted i was fairly rich, the duty cycle was a good deal higher than i anticipated which makes me think the fuel system is maxing out. most ppl say on the S chassis the max you can safely run w/ the system is 700cc on an SR. 700x4 = 2800cc. 550x6 is 3300cc already... just something to think about.

650 x 6 is a big injector that you can't "fully utilize" with the stock system IMO. i think even 550 is pushing it.. i think mid 300 wheel is a safe number to aim for, and they can be obtained with 550cc's.

with budget in mind i'd keep the stock mani and run a pfc with a z32 maf, maybe even safc if you want to save another few hundo. safc will still work fine for the occassional 400 wheel dyno pull imo. ]]> gawdzilla 2006-10-04T07:27:41-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2103860#2103860 Quote, originally posted by the_momo ha i like your logic. im mega budget man. i make most of my crap if i can. if i were to buy onely one thing expensive, it would be a set of cams. more only to just say...i have hks cams. im know. lame. oh well. do rb26 cams fit seems like you could pick up a set of those on the cheap and make a decent improvment. or, cam gears. maybe i dunno. i say run methanol. super lean afr will give you the power you seek. and 1 dollar a gallon isnt bad. although thats for large quantities. im curious how the aem works out. keep us posted. i think im still using megasquirt. maybe. we'll seeno methanol. i will do 80 minutes of track time in 1 day some weekends, im not dealing with that bull**** on top of regular stuff that goes on. all of this needs to be on 91 octane. id rather make 325whp on 91 than 365 on 105 and save myself 75$ a weekend in race gas Quote, originally posted by the_momo raquo;ha i like your logic. im mega budget man. i make most of my crap if i can. if i were to buy onely one thing expensive, it would be a set of cams. more only to just say...i have hks cams. im know. lame. oh well.

do rb26 cams fit? seems like you could pick up a set of those on the cheap and make a decent improvment. or, cam gears. maybe i dunno. i say run methanol. super lean afr will give you the power you seek. and 1 dollar a gallon isnt bad. although thats for large quantities.

im curious how the aem works out. keep us posted. i think im still using megasquirt. maybe. we'll see
no methanol. i will do 80 minutes of track time in 1 day some weekends, im not dealing with that bull**** on top of regular stuff that goes on.

all of this needs to be on 91 octane.

id rather make 325whp on 91 than 365 on 105 and save myself 75$ a weekend in race gas ]]> Joe 2006-10-04T00:41:27-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2103735#2103735 Quote, originally posted by Carl H hks gt-rs turbo, 550-600cc injectors and power fc.done.iirc nengun is offering a complete upgrade package which has the above for about 3k, killer deal if you ask me.the gt-rs will offer the response you want as well as the power you want...http://www.nengun.com/catalogue/product/26nice site carl!! thanks Quote, originally posted by Carl H raquo;hks gt-rs turbo, 550-600cc injectors and power fc.
done.
iirc nengun is offering a complete upgrade package which has the above for about 3k, killer deal if you ask me.
the gt-rs will offer the response you want as well as the power you want...
http://www.nengun.com/catalogue/product/26

nice site carl!! thanks ]]> RB20DETodd 2006-10-03T22:45:16-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2103527#2103527 ha i like your logic. im mega budget man. i make most of my crap if i can. if i were to buy onely one thing expensive, it would be a set of cams. more only to just say...i have hks cams. im know. lame. oh well. do rb26 cams fit seems like you could pick up a set of those on the cheap and make a decent improvment. or, cam gears. maybe i dunno. i say run methanol. super lean afr will give you the power you seek. and 1 dollar a gallon isnt bad. although thats for large quantities. im curious how the aem works out. keep us posted. i think im still using megasquirt. maybe. we'll see do rb26 cams fit? seems like you could pick up a set of those on the cheap and make a decent improvment. or, cam gears. maybe i dunno. i say run methanol. super lean afr will give you the power you seek. and 1 dollar a gallon isnt bad. although thats for large quantities.

im curious how the aem works out. keep us posted. i think im still using megasquirt. maybe. we'll see ]]> the_momo 2006-10-03T20:55:39-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2103037#2103037 cams are going against my semi-budget setupi found a t3/t04e BB setup for under 1000$, im thinking of going with that. should be good to 425whp. i found a t3/t04e BB setup for under 1000$, im thinking of going with that. should be good to 425whp. ]]> Joe 2006-10-03T18:15:23-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2102958#2102958 the best opition that i can see is go with something that will initially spool slower on a stock motor and ultimately give you a higher power ceiling and put in a set of cams that will open up the motor a little on the lower end. maybe a longer exhaust duration to help spool a little on the low. then do something dual bb bigger than the 3071. just a thought. if it were just for drag, id say big t4 and a shot of nitrous, but that would be usless on a real racecar... good luck with your hunting. good luck with your hunting. ]]> the_momo 2006-10-03T17:50:57-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2101539#2101539 well one of my mr2 friends and i were discussing fitting a gt3071 to his 3s-gte and we did up some figures and looked around abit.on paper the compressor wheel is absolutely effin amazing, it beats the gt30r's compressor map, but in reality the turbine wheel isnt the greatest and it actualy hinders performance.sure it feels like its spooling fast but its because like the gt28rs its actualy surging...not really an ideal setup imho. on paper the compressor wheel is absolutely effin amazing, it beats the gt30r's compressor map, but in reality the turbine wheel isnt the greatest and it actualy hinders performance.
sure it feels like its spooling fast but its because like the gt28rs its actualy surging...not really an ideal setup imho. ]]> Carl H 2006-10-03T06:14:55-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2100976#2100976 why is that Joe 2006-10-02T20:54:29-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2100955#2100955 honestly man gt-rs is the best route, gt3071r looks hella good on paper not so much in real life. Carl H 2006-10-02T20:45:32-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2100909#2100909 im gonna try to stick with sidefeed because i *think* its gonna be cheaper than switching to a top feed rail and buying injectors. as for the turbo, christ i dont know. thats why this is so hard. there are so many options that will do what im asking for i just dont know which will do it the best.as always, i appreciate everyone's input. even if i dont agree with your opinions i will take them into consideration. as for the turbo, christ i dont know. thats why this is so hard. there are so many options that will do what im asking for i just dont know which will do it the best.

as always, i appreciate everyone's input. even if i dont agree with your opinions i will take them into consideration. ]]> Joe 2006-10-02T20:28:07-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2100695#2100695 Yeah, theres really no need to go top feed unless you need injectors larger than 800cc. Deatschwerks sells drop ins for our motors up to 810 or so I believe. wawazat8402 2006-10-02T19:23:02-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2100427#2100427 deatschwerks makes good injectors, for awesome prices i got a set of them and used stock fuel rail, i would like carl said go with a gt rs turbo, dual bb FTW, forcedperformance.com has good deals going on but i try to keep my purchases with nico sponsoers, i know injectedperformance.com cut me a awesome deal on a vortech sc and rps flywheel / clutch combo so i would DEFINATELY recomend him. StricNyne 2006-10-02T17:47:10-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2100420#2100420 Quote, originally posted by eh Australian recheck your currency. Yes it is still expensive.Buy a used PFC, I sold mine last year for $400.As for them AEM, so great you know of two issues with them, would you still want that headache That thing stranded me 5 times and I've almost gotten into an accident twice. And just so you know- Taff was the Test mule for the RB25 ems and even he couldn't get a fix from AEM..still 1500$ US. plus shipping. and krayton has an EMS he bought from my shop, and its worked flawlessly. Quote, originally posted by eh? raquo; Australian

recheck your currency. Yes it is still expensive.
Buy a used PFC, I sold mine last year for $400.
As for them AEM, so great you know of two issues with them, would you still want that headache? That thing stranded me 5 times and I've almost gotten into an accident twice.
And just so you know- Taff was the Test mule for the RB25 ems and even he couldn't get a fix from AEM..

still 1500$ US. plus shipping.

and krayton has an EMS he bought from my shop, and its worked flawlessly. ]]> Joe 2006-10-02T17:43:25-08:00 http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=201049;postid=2100402#2100402 im gonna stay away from twins just because of the amount of fabrication involved. time is not a luxury i have to waste. basically once i have all my parts in the next couple months im gonna have between 2-3 weeks to do everything between events. carl, if i switch to topfeed, thats the route ill go. i dont need no bling. carl, if i switch to topfeed, thats the route ill go. i dont need no bling. ]]> Joe 2006-10-02T17:35:27-08:00