george wrote:i dont know where you live but in san diego at the carlsbad raceway quarter mile track i have been going there for years i have never seen a civic or integra run 12's. sorry to tell you front wheel drive and a dinky 1.8 liter engine wont get you into the 12's on a street car with full interior. and this is deduced from watching these civics and integras embarass themselves at the tracks.
All I have to say is HAHAHAHAHA. In Jersey there are MANY MANY fast Hondas. Around the block from me there is a Civic hatchback that runs 12.5 all-motor, GSR, pump gas...the back half however is stripped. No stand alone, oh yeah and since running 12.5 the guy has installed ITBs.
A friend of mine owns a built LS/Vtec in a hatchback. It ran 12.1. Full interior, pump gas, untuned. He hasn't been back to the track yet, but has tuned his car, and recently installed Hondata. I've watched this car kill Mustangs, Turbo built VR-6s, Camaros...then happily taking their money from them....After he was done racing the VR-6 collecting his money, the car flat out stalled because he had no stand-alone...
There is also a fully built GS-R coupe running a high compression turbo setup...12.6
These three cars are all currently being daily driven.
There are MANY 1.8 liter engines going very fast. It isn't cheap, and I by no means like Hondas, but there are a lot of fast ones at the track and in my area.