So it wasnt the transmission...hmmm

Post by **DALAZ_68** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:29 am

so at my last track event, what i thought was a blown transmission, was actually the clutch

heres the odd thing, the clutch seems to have worn very unevenly. seeing as the the material side that touches the flywheel still has roughly 1/8th still on it, and the side that touches the pressure plate was completely skinned down to mettal...

another odd thing...the side of the clutch plate that still has material (that makes contact to the flywheel) seems to have been stopped by the flywheel bolts...

the fly bolts show signs of grooving from the metal lip that is under the spring section of the clutch plate...

mind you this is ^ the side that still had material on it...leading me to think that the clutch plate was pretty much unevenly worn...

but what trips me out is that the bolts were hitting the plate...

another thing...my starter, the upper bolt had about 4 spacer washers on it, which leads me to think:-wrong flywheel-wrong starter-unknown RIGHT clutch to buy

i know i know, this thread is pretty useless with out pictures...im working on that...im at work right now, but i just wanted to post this up to see who could help me figure s*** out... i still have the clutch to take pictures, and my car is pretty much just sitting without a trans/clutch... fly is still attached...ill take pics of everything...

but anyone ever ran into this...?

Post by **r34 gtr** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:35 am

Welp, time for a new flywheel, clutch, pressure plate, and ARP flywheel bolt set. Time to break out su tarjeta de credito.

Post by **DALAZ_68** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:55 am

r34 gtr wrote:Welp, time for a new flywheel, clutch, pressure plate, and ARP flywheel bolt set. Time to break out su tarjeta de credito.

the f*ck is a credit card sir!?

cash money...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...ories

is it destiny for me to have this...

but how sure are u, its the flywheel, did it get THAT worn from a stock nissan clutch plate!?

the motor has roughly, 65k miles on it...whats the bare minimum thickness on a good resurfacable flywheel?

i was planning on upgrading the whole drive train anyway, alum one piece drive shaft, clutch, press plate, and i already have the 2way installed...
Modified by DALAZ_68 at 10:12 AM 3/29/2010

Post by **sjbsuperman1425** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:10 am

that flywheel is baller!

Post by **CakeEater** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:52 am

By the way you say that it hits the bolts it sounds like someone installed the clutch on backwards.

Flat on one side, raise section on other. I bet on backwards or very worm FW or machined to shieza.

Post by **DALAZ_68** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:02 am

CakeEater wrote:By the way you say that it hits the bolts it sounds like someone installed the clutch on backwards.

Flat on one side, raise section on other. I bet on backwards or very worm FW or machined to shieza.

nope on the first part...clutch plate was installed properly...

and i forgot to mention, that the springs in the clutch plate were extremely loose...you could spin em with ur fingure with little to no effort...

last time i messed with a clutch (not this car/clutch), the springs were pretty snug and i couldnt move em (it was an exedy OE replacement for a KA)
Modified by DALAZ_68 at 11:10 AM 3/29/2010

Post by **r34 gtr** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:34 am

Though baller, I cannot in good conscience let you spend that much money on that flywheel. $520 is outrageous.

same flywheel, $363. Perfect Run is legit. We're killing 'em on the exchange rate!

http://perfectrun.jp/src/detail.php?pid ... id[]=mct_6

Post by **DALAZ_68** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:58 am

r34 gtr wrote:Though baller, I cannot in good conscience let you spend that much money on that flywheel. $520 is outrageous.

same flywheel, $363. Perfect Run is legit. We're killing 'em on the exchange rate!

http://perfectrun.jp/src/detail.php?pid ... id[]=mct_6

hoooooly snaps, i think i found my flywheel...but i see at the bottom, theres 2 CA FW...one says STD, the other says HS... does one come with STD's, and the other is fresh out of high school!?

but i still need an answer...how would i know if the flywheel is not ok anymore...is there a minimum thickness...?!

Post by **r34 gtr** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:22 pm

Question: Does your flywheel look like crap?

If the answer is no, consider reusing.

If the answer is yes, proceed to checkout.

If you want another option, they have the ORC Single Plate clutch system (clutch, pp, light flywheel) for a shade under $800. Its REALLY baller.

http://perfectrun.jp/src/detail.php?pid ... id[]=mct_6

Post by **DALAZ_68** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:22 pm

r34 gtr wrote:Question: Does your flywheel look like crap?

If the answer is no, consider reusing.

If the answer is yes, proceed to checkout.

If you want another option, they have the ORC Single Plate clutch system (clutch, pp, light flywheel) for a shade under $800. Its REALLY baller.

http://perfectrun.jp/src/detail.php?pid ... id[]=mct_6

theres like 6 of them!!!! ^

how bout some clutch's... motor is only gonna be at 250hp if that
Modified by DALAZ_68 at 4:39 PM 3/29/2010

Post by **r34 gtr** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:22 pm

Well they used to sell a Cusco metal single clutch that I love and love to recommend. Unfortunately it seems to have gone away. Looks like you will be stuck with one of the usual brands, unless you opt for the SR clutch/flywheel/pp and s12 starter.

Post by **DALAZ_68** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:57 pm

r34 gtr wrote:Well they used to sell a Cusco metal single clutch that I love and love to recommend. Unfortunately it seems to have gone away. Looks like you will be stuck with one of the usual brands, unless you opt for the SR clutch/flywheel/pp and s12 starter.

last thing i need is for it to go to s***...and i do want if to be sprung...

Post by **DALAZ_68** » Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:39 am

so i think ill pick up that Jun for sure...F it...get the drive train done and done...

just quick questions

Clutch: still need a trusted proven type...sprung, mind you im still learning...

pretty much im also replacing the driveshaft with a one piece...so it'll have a lighten fly, lighten driveshaft...just need a good grabbin clutch to go with it all

all that + the KAAZ 2 way to help deliver a good amount of power to the wheels...all id have left to do is subframe bushings... fml...lol

Post by **r34 gtr** » Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:43 am

I mean, I know I have said bad things about them, and others have had problems, but you could always give SPEC a call. I believe their manufacturing standards are higher these days, as I have not heard any complaints in a while.

Something like this would probably do it:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...a583a

Everything else on eBay is trash.

I am really upset that no one stocks the Cusco metal single anymore. I was about to buy a spare!

Edit: apparently you can still get them from Cusco Japan.

Disc part #: 00C 022 C202NPress. Plate part #: 00C 022 B006

And the 5kg Chromoly flywheel that completes the kit is #: 220 023 CA

225mm with a 25.6mm spline diameter, 24 spline shaft. The part #s are identical to the SR20DE clutch, so you could use either (however, flywheel part # is different, for SR starter)

Modified by r34 gtr at 11:52 AM 4/1/2010

Post by **DALAZ_68** » Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:44 pm

r34 gtr wrote:I mean, I know I have said bad things about them, and others have had problems, but you could always give SPEC a call. I believe their manufacturing standards are higher these days, as I have not heard any complaints in a while.

Something like this would probably do it:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...a583a

Everything else on eBay is trash.

I am really upset that no one stocks the Cusco metal single anymore. I was about to buy a spare!

Edit: apparently you can still get them from Cusco Japan.

Disc part #: 00C 022 C202NPress. Plate part #: 00C 022 B006

And the 5kg Chromoly flywheel that completes the kit is #: 220 023 CA

225mm with a 25.6mm spline diameter, 24 spline shaft. The part #s are identical to the SR20DE clutch, so you could use either (however, flywheel part # is different, for SR starter)

Modified by r34 gtr at 11:52 AM 4/1/2010

so the jun flywheel + cusco clutch combo wouldnt work?

Post by **r34 gtr** » Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:37 am

Im sure it would work just fine, but now you have choices! Yay choices!

Post by **DALAZ_68** » Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:23 am

so i just got off the phone...heres the breakdown

Cusco (with r34 gtr provided part number) 1400- because they have to piece it together and itll be 4-5 weeks till it comes in

OS Ginken - 1251 - also 4-5 weeks

Exedy w/Jun flywheel 888 - also 4-5 week...

F*%K ME!...i need these this month...F&%K

i think im going to have to go with ye old SR conversion...which, from what i understand..i have to grind out the bellhousing?

Post by **r34 gtr** » Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:41 am

No grinding. You can use a SR20DE rwd clutch/flywheel with a S12 hoodless starter, so I am lead to believe.

Post by **DALAZ_68** » Fri Apr 02, 2010 11:50 am

r34 gtr wrote:No grinding. You can use a SR20DE rwd clutch/flywheel with a S12 hoodless starter, so I am lead to believe.

arent DE clutch Flywheel's harder to come by?

id figure...since my trans is already getting replacement gearbox, i might aswell cary my bellhousing to my buddies house to get the 2 sides ground down...

Post by **DALAZ_68** » Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:34 pm

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...t_933

??? would this be it

Post by **r34 gtr** » Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:46 pm

You would want a RWD clutch and flywheel.

You can also use a KA clutch so long as you grind an alignment pin off the flywheel.

Just some food for thought. Have you called SPEC? Might be worth a call.

Post by **DALAZ_68** » Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:59 pm

r34 gtr wrote:You would want a RWD clutch and flywheel.

You can also use a KA clutch so long as you grind an alignment pin off the flywheel.

Just some food for thought. Have you called SPEC? Might be worth a call.

no...but im skerd...there stuff scares me...

i did find this thoughhttp://www.rhdjapan.com/os-gik...52007
Modified by DALAZ_68 at 6:11 PM 4/2/2010

Post by **DALAZ_68** » Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:14 pm

another factor to throw in is,, im still a new driver taking this car to the track only, would a high end clutch really be the best thing?

opinions?

Post by **r34 gtr** » Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:19 pm

I really like the feel of the metal friction material, but it all depends on you. I had been driving for about a year when I switched to my current clutch (yikes its old! And I bought it used!!) and it was kind of hairy at first. I had to drag launch it into traffic, and I was a danger to others when performing hill starts. Now, its easy as pie, and inspires more confidence. Blip throttle to 2200rpm, release clutch, enjoy zero torque CA18.

So, you talked to Perfect Run, or Cusco? Any idea how much just the metal clutch disc is?

Anyway, if you need it quickly you may just want to pony up for this thing. If it breaks I can go over there and complain. They are local (engineered in Alabama).

http://treperformance.com/i-89....html

Post by **DALAZ_68** » Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:03 pm

i dunno^ i can give you the number...there local to here...lol

id still need flywheel...nontheless...wats the thickness that the fly would have to be to get resurfaced...assuming because i looked at the pressure plate...and well i think i needa retract my statement that the clutch wasnt installed wrong...since its the pressure plate that has a ton of cracks...im posting picks tomorrow once i take off the flywheel... finally got a charger for my camera...you guys can see and give me better help probably...

Post by **r34 gtr** » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:02 am

Pictures would be epic.

The stock flywheel is pretty massive. I would think there is a fair amount of material that can be safely removed, but don't quote me on it.

Post by **DALAZ_68** » Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:12 pm

r34 gtr wrote:Pictures would be epic.

heres the side towards the flywheel...

**notice the inner flanged area were it its shinny, thats where it was hitting the flywheel bolts**

Close up

heres the side touching the pressure plate metal to metal, notice the hairline cracks on the pressure plate

and how the material came out in chunks

no pics of the flywheel...no time to actually work on my car this weekend...so wack

Post by **float_6969** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:47 am

I've been running a SPEC for about 4 years and and still doing fine. Stage 3+

Post by **DALAZ_68** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:29 am

Well what do you think about the pictures?does it look like the clutch was installed the wrong way?

is my flywheel to thin to resurface? i need help here man!

and btw float...did you ever see my response for my title... "The Hopefull N00b" ...lol

Post by **r34 gtr** » Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:25 am

DALAZ_68 wrote:is my flywheel too thin to resurface?

How am I supposed to tell? You posted no pictures of it!

So it wasnt the transmission...hmmm

So it wasnt the transmission...hmmm

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