Recommend Me Solid Sub-frame Bushings.

[Pento240sx]

Well I been looking to get some solid sub-frame bushings. But there is not many reviews on some. I was looking at the Stance ST-1, and ST-42. SPL PRO SOLID, and SPL PRO V2. Or other make solid bushings. Witch ones are better quality or any reviews you guys could provide me. Thanks.
BTW: Searched google and here and nothing.

Here are pics to show each one:

ST-1:


ST-42:


SPL PRO SOLID:


SPL PRO V2:

[simmode1]

Holy crap, I've been on NICO too long. Read your thread & knew precisely what to google for to find this:
spl-solid-aluminum-subframe-and-differe ... 01842.html

Review of the SPL units. Couldn't find a review of the Stance units in a quick search, but dear god they look sexy. I say try them out & let us know how it goes...

Actually, I probably need to get around to doing this mod too... S14's rear end is clunking something terrible...

[Razi]

SPL V2s are cool because you can use the shims to fine tune your anti-squat.
Unless you want to get that hardcore, any other set of bushings is fine.

[Pento240sx]

Holy crap, I've been on NICO too long. Read your thread & knew precisely what to google for to find this:
spl-solid-aluminum-subframe-and-differe ... 01842.html

Review of the SPL units. Couldn't find a review of the Stance units in a quick search, but dear god they look sexy. I say try them out & let us know how it goes...

Actually, I probably need to get around to doing this mod too... S14's rear end is clunking something terrible...

Thanks. Great review on the SPL. I will find more info on the stance. I like to do my research before purchasing a product.

SPL V2s are cool because you can use the shims to fine tune your anti-squat.
Unless you want to get that hardcore, any other set of bushings is fine.

Now that you mention anti-squat. I read an article a while back and did not fully understand it, until now. So just keep putting shims on until the squat is completely eliminated.

[Razi]

No, you want a certain amount of squat.
Too much anti-squat will make you lose traction when you're accelerating hard.

That's why people swap in S14 subframes, or modify them for more squat.

[pepesilvia]

No, you want a certain amount of squat.
Too much anti-squat will make you lose traction when you're accelerating hard.

That's why people swap in S14 subframes, or modify them for more squat.

i try to eliminate all squat when i pee....

[Pento240sx]

No, you want a certain amount of squat.
Too much anti-squat will make you lose traction when you're accelerating hard.

That's why people swap in S14 subframes, or modify them for more squat.

Wait now I'm kind of confused. Please explain, on how the SPL V2 will work better.

[Razi]

You can adjust how much anti-squat you have with the SPL ones.
If you're not gonna track it constantly and try to fine tune the rear end, I don't think it's worth messing with the SPL V2 kit.

[Pento240sx]

Oh I see, no this is going to be my DD and maybe once in a while, go to drift events or to auto-cross. Thanks for clearing that out.

BTW: After researching for a while(2 Days). I found out the the Stance ST-1 are a conversion kit for the S15 Sub-frame into the S14 and the ST-42 raise the chassis a little bit more and the SPL pro solids are diff bushings
So I guess my only choice is the SPL Solids V2. I guess I found all my answers.
Thanks to Razi and simmode1 for the help very appreciated.
Also as future reference if someone has tried the Stance ST-42 please let us know, thanks.

[Hijacker]

Lots of anti-squat is good for events like drift (one of the reasons S13s are good drift cars), but you want a little less anti-squat with any form of grip driving (auto-x, road racing). The stance ST-1 bushings are for putting S14/S15 subframes into an S13. The 14 and 15 are dimensionally identical, the 15 is just a bit beefier.

The SPL bushings come with shims to space the frame in a few locations. Closer to the body raises the roll center, correcting suspension geometry, but it comes with the price of increasing anti-squat. If the frame is lowered in relation to the body, then AS is reduced, but the roll center is lowered. It's a trade off. On S14 subframes, the general consensus has been to correct the roll center as the additional AS isn't much.

As for build quality, you can't beat SPL's. I don't know what material the stance units are made of, but I can guarantee they're cheaper copies of the SPL bushings. SPL mills their bushings from 6061 T6 aluminum, which is a really stout aluminum.

[Pento240sx]

Lots of anti-squat is good for events like drift (one of the reasons S13s are good drift cars), but you want a little less anti-squat with any form of grip driving (auto-x, road racing). The stance ST-1 bushings are for putting S14/S15 subframes into an S13. The 14 and 15 are dimensionally identical, the 15 is just a bit beefier.

The SPL bushings come with shims to space the frame in a few locations. Closer to the body raises the roll center, correcting suspension geometry, but it comes with the price of increasing anti-squat. If the frame is lowered in relation to the body, then AS is reduced, but the roll center is lowered. It's a trade off. On S14 subframes, the general consensus has been to correct the roll center as the additional AS isn't much.

As for build quality, you can't beat SPL's. I don't know what material the stance units are made of, but I can guarantee they're cheaper copies of the SPL bushings. SPL mills their bushings from 6061 T6 aluminum, which is a really stout aluminum.

I see what you mean. I will definitely buy the SPL, I would rather go with something people have tried and gotten better result of.
Thank you Hijacker for making an easier explanation about the AS.

[Razi]

As you make more power though, you want less anti-squat.
That's why so many Formula D cars modify the RLCA mounting points on the subframe to get less anti-squat.
Watch how much Dai Yoshihara's car squats as he powers through a turn.

But yeah, SPL is top of the line, can't go wrong with them.