Possible future G owner

by **Dc5_04** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:56 am

Hey everyone I'm shopping for a new car and the G35 coupe is one of the top 2 conteders right now .... along with the STI.... the more I think about it the more i'm leaning towards the G35 for obvious reasons : looks nicer , more luxurious , cheaper, cheaper insurance..... but one thing the STI has that i find intersting is its easy to mod.... you can go a long way with just 1K$ on an STI.... so my question is ... how well does the G35 take mods? Can it put out good numbers with just bolt-ons like my current car (rsx-slow) lol ... anyway im trying to learn as much as i can before i make my decision. Thanks for the help

by **Poyzinous** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:51 am

Well, what year G? what type?

by **audtatious** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:06 am

Depends on the year you are looking at but the best "bolt on" is a SC or turbo system.

by **tollboothwilley** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:06 am

I'm not familiar with Subaru mods, but any turbo engine will ultimately be easier to produce more HP. STI's are fun cars, but I think they are ugly.

There are a lot of mods you can do to the G, but how much power are you trying to go for? Cost of mods can get expensive depending on what you do.

Obviously, I love G35's. Subaru guys will tell you they love Subaru's. Go test drive several models. You will have a very clear idea of why you would prefer each model. In the end you will want to go with what makes you feel most satisfied.

by **pfarmer** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:29 am

Dc5_04 wrote:Hey everyone I'm shopping for a new car and the G35 coupe is one of the top 2 conteders right now .... along with the STI.... the more I think about it the more i'm leaning towards the G35 for obvious reasons : looks nicer , more luxurious , cheaper, cheaper insurance..... but one thing the STI has that i find intersting is its easy to mod.... you can go a long way with just 1K$ on an STI.... so my question is ... how well does the G35 take mods? Can it put out good numbers with just bolt-ons like my current car (rsx-slow) lol ... anyway im trying to learn as much as i can before i make my decision. Thanks for the help

Unless you care about 4wd go the cheaper route and get a new vette or very slightly used one.

Perry

Perry

by **SVTCOBRA** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:01 pm

pfarmer wrote:
Unless you care about 4wd go the cheaper route and get a new vette or very slightly used one.

Perry

Perry

I say go even cheaper with a used cobra....SC it and add a TT with a rotary!!!

Actually, it's all about the driving experience that you are looking for.
I love the driving experience that my g delivers!

by **zozoka1212** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:18 pm

If it is going to be the car you drive year around I highly suggest to go with the STI. You've got 5 months of crappy weather and 7 foot of snow. Although I am not a big fan of the Subbies look. Why not go with Audi or the G35x?

by **pfarmer** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:15 pm

SVTCOBRA wrote:
I say go even cheaper with a used cobra....SC it and add a TT with a rotary!!!
Actually, it's all about the driving experience that you are looking for.
I love the driving experience that my g delivers!

By Cobra you must mean new Mustang, just not the same in my book since yes it is about the driving experience (and bang for the buck).

I would recommend the 'G' for the bang for the buck (as soon as it proves itself better than mine) but if one is going to mod it then I would go with the vette for the bang for the buck and driving experience (assuming a coupe and no AWD is needed).

An alternative however that gets by a lot of issues (and of course introduces others) is a kit car. You could have a hell of an Infinity for the same bucks if you like to work hard for it. I have seen some of the work from these guys and that would be the direction I would go if I went this route. Maybe when I am fully retired and have an empty garage I would have one of these projects.

http://www.factoryfive.com/gtmhome.html

Perry

by **SVTCOBRA** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:40 am

pfarmer wrote:
By Cobra you must mean new Mustang, just not the same in my book since yes it is about the driving experience (and bang for the buck).

Perry

Yes, I'm partial to the 96-98 models and there are lots of mods available.
The 99 model did have IRS, so might actually be a good choice.
But, you really can't compare the cheap fugly interior of a vette or mustang to a G!

That's part of the 'driving experience' for me.

by **Poyzinous** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:41 am

pfarmer wrote:
You could have a hell of an Infinity for the same bucks if you like to work hard for it.

why Perri?

by **pfarmer** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:37 am

Poyzinous wrote:
why Perri?

Did you go to this link? It is an Infinity. Endless possibilities.

http://www.factoryfive.com/gtmhome.html

Perry

by **Poyzinous** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:43 am

ooooh. Thats what you meant. I'll take the 30 roadster. uber OG.

by **audtatious** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:52 am

Gimme the MK3 and a 427

by **SVTCOBRA** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:14 pm

I'll take the Daytona clone!!

by **Dc5_04** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:02 am

Thanks for the suggestions but i need a daily driver that i will use during the winter... I am starting to think an STI is not really affordable for me considering im still in college.... so im probably gonna go with the G35 and get good winter tires.... besides i think most models in Canada come with traction control... not sure about the american models... but my real question here was does the G35 put down good numbers with bolt-ons? someone on clubrsx told me the G35 was hard to mod with bolt ons..... is there a K-pro equivalent? what are the best mods to put on a G35 if you want to stay N/A? thanks

by **pfarmer** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:32 pm

SVTCOBRA wrote:
Yes, I'm partial to the 96-98 models and there are lots of mods available.
The 99 model did have IRS, so might actually be a good choice.
But, you really can't compare the cheap fugly interior of a vette or mustang to a G! That's part of the 'driving experience' for me.

Well, I really didn't see that the vette really was on a lower scale then the 'G', at least not the 2006 I test drove (really liked the HUD). I think the 'G' sport seats are better. The big negative on the 'G' is the basketball skin they use on the dash, to me that cheapens everything else. The big negative on the vette was that it is a little noisy when it comes to road noise. A little hard to tell the rest since the second solid top was in the back and the transparent top was on the car at the time of the test drive and the top in the back rattled a lot.

The doors are fully electric, not sure what occurs with a dead battery but you essentially push a button to get in and a button to get out. The side windows operate similar to a 'G' coupe. The window rolls down and the door opens.

You do need to keep your suitcases somewhat small. What I really liked about the vette however was under the hood. I could not only identify what I was looking at but I could actually work on everything there as well. I wasn't expecting it and it was a pleasant surprise. Paddle shifters are on the wheel which I actually liked although in reviews the Infiniti usually comes out ahead there. Some don't seem to like that the paddles can both be used for up and down shifts without regard to left or right. Confusing for a few miles if you are used to the Infiniti but after that I liked it.

As far as the HUD, I am actually looking to see what it would take to do the same with the 'G' since it really doesn't look that difficult.

Perry

by **Poyzinous** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:07 am

Basketball skin?! Haha. My first series G does have a bit of cheapness in the interior. Greatly improved for 05 though. But Perry did you notice how cheap the build in the corvette is? A 2000 I30 has better built interior. Its what I hate most about the vette. A coworker has one and the 2 things I hate about it are the hotwheels quality interior and the seats are not impressive at all. It would be nice if it had rearview camera like the G, since rear visibility is like trying to watch a fireworks show through a fruit loop. I will agree that the engine, with the exception of the pulley breaking off and exploding through the hood, is a great 400hp fun tool. If the Interior is up to par of a 6 figure car, give me a 638hp ZR1 any day

by **SVTCOBRA** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:37 am

pfarmer wrote:
The doors are fully electric, not sure what occurs with a dead battery but you essentially push a button to get in and a button to get out.
Perry

Took my 16 yr old to check out a new Z06 at our local chevy dealer a few months ago.
He got in and the doors locked. (or he accidentally locked them).
Then, he tried to unlock the pass. side to let me in, but it would not.
Dead Battery.
Then, he tried to get out and it wouldn't let him!!

They had to get a key, open the rear and pull an emergency cord to unlock the door.

by **Poyzinous** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:57 am

SVTCOBRA wrote:
They had to get a key, open the rear and pull an emergency cord to unlock the door.

Ow. Their pride....
Thats one thing I definitely dont want to be electrically operated. Doors and the steering. As in no mechancal linkage between your hands and the steering rack. I dont know how mercedes pulls off electric brakes. If you try to do a brake job, the calipers clamp down and lock, so you get screwed. Its like a dealer only thing... Hey Rich, i'm still wondering about the creatures in this post http://forums.g35club.org/zerothread/435108 let me know!

by **pfarmer** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:12 am

Poyzinous wrote:Basketball skin?! Haha. My first series G does have a bit of cheapness in the interior. Greatly improved for 05 though. But Perry did you notice how cheap the build in the corvette is? A 2000 I30 has better built interior. Its what I hate most about the vette. A coworker has one and the 2 things I hate about it are the hotwheels quality interior and the seats are not impressive at all. It would be nice if it had rearview camera like the G, since rear visibility is like trying to watch a fireworks show through a fruit loop. I will agree that the engine, with the exception of the pulley breaking off and exploding through the hood, is a great 400hp fun tool. If the Interior is up to par of a 6 figure car, give me a 638hp ZR1 any day

Bang for the buck is present. As far as backing up, yep that is an issue. To me the issue with backing up is to remember the side. I could see out the back for distance but for the side the side mirrors become exceptionally important due to the fender overhangs. Like I said the basketball skin interior really cheapens the Infiniti. For the vette the big issue is seats.

To keep this in perspective the new vettes have a much better interior option than the older ones. But for 34k for a 2006 with 18k miles, twin tops and the performance one could spend a couple of bucks for one of the hundreds of aftermarket seats and other addons available and still come in much cheaper when matching performance against performance. As far as the dash some controls, mostly for the dash itself are just like the Infiniti, hidden behind the wheel. The gauges however are in full view, at least for me. Many more features are present in the way of actual temperatures and other items in digital form on the cluster, not available to the Infiniti unless you go a secondary pod route.

Perry

by **SVTCOBRA** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:33 am

Poyzinous wrote:
Ow. Their pride....
Thats one thing I definitely dont want to be electrically operated. Doors and the steering. As in no mechancal linkage between your hands and the steering rack. I dont know how mercedes pulls off electric brakes. If you try to do a brake job, the calipers clamp down and lock, so you get screwed. Its like a dealer only thing... Hey Rich, i'm still wondering about the creatures in this post http://forums.g35club.org/zerothread/435108 let me know!

Sewer slugs? been frying them up for years!!

by **pfarmer** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:14 am

SVTCOBRA wrote:
Took my 16 yr old to check out a new Z06 at our local chevy dealer a few months ago.
He got in and the doors locked. (or he accidentally locked them).
Then, he tried to unlock the pass. side to let me in, but it would not.
Dead Battery.
Then, he tried to get out and it wouldn't let him!!
They had to get a key, open the rear and pull an emergency cord to unlock the door.

I haven't seen this other than driving one. But in the coupe what occurs if the windows fail to roll down? Will the door open without forcing?

My sister got stuck in her Toyota which had electric retracts on the seat belts. Belt tightened to the point she could not unlock the belt without assistance (probably did not move seat back but...)

The electric doors are an issue, but then it sounds like no one was aware of the mechanical door release on the floor? Sounds like (a) poorly trained salesperson(s).

I feel a similar statement could be said about electrically locked steering columns, what occurs if they report they unlocked when they did not? Hasn't happened yet to me but mine has failed to lock.

Perry

by **pfarmer** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:23 am

Poyzinous wrote:
Ow. Their pride....
Thats one thing I definitely dont want to be electrically operated. Doors and the steering. As in no mechancal linkage between your hands and the steering rack. I dont know how mercedes pulls off electric brakes. If you try to do a brake job, the calipers clamp down and lock, so you get screwed. Its like a dealer only thing... Hey Rich, i'm still wondering about the creatures in this post http://forums.g35club.org/zerothread/435108 let me know!

Most likely you pass trucks everyday with this feature (brakes). As far as the vette doors while they are electric there is a mechanical release on the floor to allow you out and another one in the trunk to allow you in so you are not really stuck but inconvienienced. I think the reliability however should probably be as good as mechanical linkage which can come apart (and has on a couple of my cars) as long as the battery is up to par. May not be the case in the vette but since this is a well used type of mechanism in many other industries including safes one would think they could be made to have a very low failure rate. Of course if you drop in a drainage ditch going 186 mph around a corner you could have issues, possibly even being force to manually unlatch the top and eject.

Perry

by **Dc5_04** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:00 am

Wow this forum is worse than clubrsx ..... they call you an idiot and make you feel stupid for asking every little question but at least they give you an answer... alll you guys did is suggest stupid ideas for cars and discuss corvettes... thanks for nothing

by **G_whizz** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:25 am

Dc5_04 wrote:Wow this forum is worse than clubrsx ..... they call you an idiot and make you feel stupid for asking every little question but at least they give you an answer... alll you guys did is suggest stupid ideas for cars and discuss corvettes... thanks for nothing

LMAO...relax buddy. no one called you an idiot or made you feel stupid. They thread jacked and got carried away...

What question did you ask that wasn't answered??

Can bolt ons give you good numbers??

Here...educate yourself
http://forums.g35club.org/zeroforum?id=266

Leave the tude at the door too...

by **pfarmer** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:31 am

Dc5_04 wrote:Wow this forum is worse than clubrsx ..... they call you an idiot and make you feel stupid for asking every little question but at least they give you an answer... alll you guys did is suggest stupid ideas for cars and discuss corvettes... thanks for nothing

Well you asked about the opinions on options for cars. Along with that you asked about modifications available. In my opinion if you are going for bang for the buck then modifications become important. How much is it going to cost to get the performance desired? How reliable, etc. What is the end result.

To me the vette is the bang for the buck for performance and reliability at that performance level, however the 'G' will give you something unique as evident if you look at some of the pictures (wide bodies for example).

You need to look not at what you are now looking at so much as looking at what you want the end product to be. If you all you want is something to go in the snow then a Jeep will give you great service there. If you want somthing that goes 190 mph then a vette does that. If you want something that looks unique then the 'G' fits that bill. But if you want all of this in the same package with the performance of a vette, the AWD of a Jeep.....................

Perry

by **Poyzinous** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:18 am

Dc5_04 wrote:Wow this forum is worse than clubrsx ..... they call you an idiot and make you feel stupid for asking every little question but at least they give you an answer... alll you guys did is suggest stupid ideas for cars and discuss corvettes... thanks for nothing

What kind of person thinks mods don't change the car? If you get quality, purpose built parts for what you're looking for, they'll do the job. For example. With $500 you can add 25 hp to a 1st gen G35 with a Z-tube, spacer, and coupe midpipe (sedan). About $800 will get you comparable stuff for a coupe. If you get a Stillen/jwt intake kit, spacer, headers, exhaust, and a Nico sticker, you will be rockin 315-325 crank horsepower. Thats double your Acura RSUX output. Compared to the G, the RSX will only be faster if the G had 5 misfiring cylinders, 4 flat tires, tranny in failsafe 3rd gear mode, uphill in the sleet with the parking brake on. And thats if the RSX gets a perfect launch and upshifts.

POST EDITED BY G_WHIZZ...GABE

you know why...

by **Dc5_04** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:23 am

Poyzinous wrote:

What kind of person thinks mods don't change the car? If you get quality, purpose built parts for what you're looking for, they'll do the job. For example. With $500 you can add 25 hp to a 1st gen G35 with a Z-tube, spacer, and coupe midpipe (sedan). About $800 will get you comparable stuff for a coupe. If you get a Stillen/jwt intake kit, spacer, headers, exhaust, and a Nico sticker, you will be rockin 315-325 crank horsepower. Thats double your Acura RSUX output. Compared to the G, the RSX will only be faster if the G had 5 misfiring cylinders, 4 flat tires, tranny in failsafe 3rd gear mode, uphill in the sleet with the parking brake on. And thats if the RSX gets a perfect launch and upshifts.

POST EDITED BY G_WHIZZ...GABE you know why...

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a lot of the people i asked told me that the most you could get out of bolt ons on a g35 is about 10-15 whp..... This is why i wanted the opinion of g35 owners.... so basically I/H/E + a tune can get you about 30-40 crank HP?... BTW 315 crank is hardly the double of 210 and im currently at 265 ....failwheel drive mind you

by **joe603** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:08 am

First, sorry your thread got jacked...but it happens. We have a good crew here and most are very knowledgeable. If you've spent any time on a forum, you know that thread jacking happens.

Now, let me address the fact that all G35's have traction control. To my knowledge there isn't a difference between US and Canada cars.

Lots of guys are from up north...and you will need a set of snow tires with the G.

Next, there have been a few changes over the years with the G, so you HP answers will depend on what year G you're looking for. Get the newest G you can afford.

Finally, you are correct in that an STI will take better to mods because there is room to improve on the engine...plus it's turbo. With the VQ35, it has been tuned very well from the factory. The G35 will not be the fastest car at the track without spending significant $$. But it's one of the best looking cars you can buy IMO.

by **SVTCOBRA** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:22 am

Dc5_04 wrote:Wow this forum is worse than clubrsx ..... they call you an idiot and make you feel stupid for asking every little question but at least they give you an answer... alll you guys did is suggest stupid ideas for cars and discuss corvettes... thanks for nothing

Sorry for getting off topic!!

We do poke fun at each other, but no name calling here!!!

by **LuckyLuke** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:40 pm

SVTCOBRA wrote:
Sorry for getting off topic!!

We do poke fun at each other, but no name calling here!!!

Man, the strippers last night were nice!

ahahaha..

I don't know anything about cars..

by **pfarmer** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:44 am

Dc5_04 wrote:à

a lot of the people i asked told me that the most you could get out of bolt ons on a g35 is about 10-15 whp..... This is why i wanted the opinion of g35 owners.... so basically I/H/E + a tune can get you about 30-40 crank HP?... BTW 315 crank is hardly the double of 210 and im currently at 265 ....failwheel drive mind you

I think a couple of items come into play that you should also consider. One is the weight of the 'G' in its stock form. It is heavier than some of the competition so once modded that will not change much in most cases. Again you need to keep what you want at the tail end of your project in mind.

The other thing is where does the horse power / torque come into play? Many of the bolt on mods that you will see will post some excellent numbers but these numbers are often in areas where most rarely drive. Some actually show a decrease in areas you do normally drive. You need to consider this as well when comparing different cars to each other, especially when modding.

If I was going to mod my 'G' I would probably work on the suspension while trying to maintain most of my ground clearance (it is an AWD I bought mostly for snow after all). I may do some body kit work to give the illusion of being lower than it actually is.

Now for those black fender skirts i am developing for all 'G's.

Perry

by **Dc5_04** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:19 am

SVTCOBRA wrote:
Sorry for getting off topic!!

We do poke fun at each other, but no name calling here!!!

ya sorry about being a little harsh but I guess when you spend a lot of time on clubrsx.com the assholeness seems to rub off on you .. .seriously its that bad ... lmao anyway... thanks for the advice... so what you guys are basically saying is that a 05 G35 coupe will not gain that much from bolt-ons ? does anybody have figureS? like for an intake header spacer job? Im really hesitating between RWD and sexyness .... or not as sexy but AWD and turbo.... tough decision

by **joe603** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:49 am

You have to ask yourself "what do I really want the car to do?"

Do you want a 1/4 mile track beast?
Do you want a road track monster?
Do you want a slammed show car?

The G35 will not do any of those things without a major $$ investment. However, it's comparable to the 350/370Z in performance, but with a rear seat.

Resale value is another good quality of the Infiniti...they are worth more later when you go to sell, compared to a lot of other cars.

As for HP numbers...lets just quit BS-ing. To get over 400 RWHP, you need to go FI. No amount of bolt-ons will get you close. For my 05 coupe, I'm probably around 250-275 RWHP and I have the standard bolt-ons...(didn't want to do headers or HFCs). I have a JWT short ram intake, z-tube, plenum spacer, MREV2, and a Stillen Cat-back exhaust. Just that small list is over 2k in go fast parts (I have another 5k into the stereo system).

by **Poyzinous** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:37 am

Joe you can get 400whp without FI. But you need 7 grand in stuff. Like 10.7:1 Cosworth pistons and rods, GT5 Crank and heads and Cams, Direct intake runners, higher pressure/capacity fuel injectors and system, long tube headers and freeflow exhaust, also an ECM tune like no other. You'll have about 390-410 whp.

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