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...along with Maine, Oklahoma, Alaska, Arizona, and Louisiana.

Sheesh. Silly stuff all around. The kicker is that this state seems to find plenty of time to dream up something new to tax us on and how to keep us from becoming armed, but can't get their butts in gear with complying with the federal government. :rolleyes:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/ ... story.html
Mass. IDs at odds with federal law

Federal agencies blocking entry, citing compliance

WASHINGTON — Susan Podziba couldn’t enter a federal building near Washington this month because her driver’s license revealed an unacceptable home state: Massachusetts.

Bay State residents can no longer use their driver’s licenses to get inside some government agencies because the state is one of nine that have not signed on to a federal law called REAL ID. If nothing changes, they will even lose the ability to display their licenses to board a plane.





The REAL ID measure presses states to verify citizenship and update security standards when they issue licenses. Congress intended the act to prevent terrorists who arrive in the country illegally from boarding planes. But officials in Massachusetts and elsewhere have balked at a program they contend costs millions, raises privacy concerns, and infringes on states’ rights.

States face no direct penalty other than the frustration of their citizens.

Some restrictions — such as the one that kept Podziba, a public policy mediator from Brookline, out of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration — began in late July.

‘It was like wow, I am a US citizen and suddenly my Massachusetts ID isn’t good enough?’
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“It was bizarre, and then I really felt embarrassed,” Podziba said. “It was like wow, I am a US citizen and suddenly my Massachusetts ID isn’t good enough?”

She ended up conducting the high-level meeting in a cafeteria outside the security gate.

Governor Deval Patrick’s office referred questions to the Massachusetts Department of Transportation. Cyndi Roy Gonzalez, an agency spokeswoman, said the state has applied for an extension to give it enough time to meet the law’s requirements.

“DHS is asking the states to do something radically different with their licensing systems,” she said. “We want to make sure we do it right and do it well.”

She did not elaborate on the delay.

Massachusetts, in order to comply with the law, must meet a list of benchmarks when issuing licenses that include checking a person’s legal status, retaining images, and establishing background checks for employees with access to sensitive information. The standards aim to prevent fraud and enhance safety.

Homeland Security, which delayed enforcement of the 2005 law for years, started a gradual implementation in April. The second phase began in July. Twenty states and the District of Columbia have received extensions, and 21 are considered compliant. Three additional states haven’t made the changes but offer a special license people can display.

That leaves residents from six states unable to enter restricted parts of federal buildings without another ID, such as a passport. They are: Massachusetts, Maine, Oklahoma, Alaska, Arizona, and Louisiana.

Since the latest phase took effect July 21, it remains unclear how many people the change has affected or how many federal facilities are strictly enforcing it. The law varies in its effect; tourists may still go to Smithsonian museums without ID and defendants can attend court proceedings.

Unless the state participates in the law, Massachusetts residents without other identification will find themselves banned from White House tours next year and commercial airplanes as soon as 2016.

“It’s an entirely foreseeable result of Massachusetts’ failure to comply with a federal law,” said Bruce Tarr, the state Senate minority leader.

Tarr, a Republican, said he received “very little response” from the Democratic Patrick administration. “The only thing you could speculate is that somehow compliance with REAL ID would thwart the administration’s attempt to give driver’s licenses to those who aren’t here legally.”

The state’s Joint Committee on Transportation rejected a bill in June that would have granted driver’s licenses to undocumented residents. Patrick supports the issue on grounds that it increases the state’s ability to know the background of drivers, but opponents consider it a dangerous benefit for lawbreakers.

The 2005 federal law stems from recommendations by the 9/11 Commission. Several of the hijackers who commandeered planes in the attack used driver’s licenses to board.

Critics fault the federal government for creating a costly program that doesn’t achieve much.

“For any American citizen, they should find this whole program completely laughable and ridiculous,” Maine Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap said.

Even if it did make sense, he said, the state would need to spend millions on new technology and background checks for certain employees. The federal agency unveiled its enforcement plan in December, five years after the original deadline.

“It was like wow, I am a US citizen and suddenly my Massachusetts ID isn’t good enough?” said Susan Podziba. As of late July, Massachusetts licenses do not comply with the REAL ID Act.

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“It was like wow, I am a US citizen and suddenly my Massachusetts ID isn’t good enough?” said Susan Podziba. As of late July, Massachusetts licenses do not comply with the REAL ID Act.

“The whole thing has been kind of a bit of a farce,” Dunlap said. “I don’t hold out an awful lot of confidence it will be implemented in a timely way and have any effect on border security or national security.”

Maine officials now advise residents to bring a passport when they visit federal buildings.

A NOAA spokesperson confirmed the agency couldn’t let Podziba into the building because Massachusetts does not comply with the law. Federal buildings affected, from the Environmental Protection Agency to the Patent and Trademark Office, have some leeway in how they enforce standards.

Homeland Security spokeswoman Marsha Catron said the agency’s slow rollout allows the changes to occur in a “measured, fair, responsible, and achievable way.”

States must show progress or justify a delay to receive the latest extension.

Proponents warn that states failing to comply threaten the entire system.

Identity verification standards are “extremely common sense,” said Andrew Meehan, policy director of Coalition for a Secure Driver’s License, a Washington-based nonprofit. “For states to not be doing them really puts residents [and] driver’s license and ID card holders at risk.”

Civil rights groups worry about the opposite: requirements that punish those without other identification, such as senior citizens or the poor.

“Not all of us have passports,” said Tanya Broder, senior staff attorney at the National Immigration Law Center, an advocacy organization based in Los Angeles.

Podziba, whose work has included a project on secure driver’s licenses, just wished someone had informed her about the issue.

“I support security, but Massachusetts, to me, is on top of public policy issues and requirements,” she said. “It should be cleared up.”


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Well, in all fairness, many of you Massachusetts folks do have a funny accent.... ;) j/k

That's really crazy stuff. As I think more, I'm wondering if Greg/Bex might encounter the same problem being Arizona residents.

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All Arizonians need to prove citizenship is a 5 minute rant about Mexico.

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Get a passport card and your problem is solved and they're great for border crossings in North America and Caribbean cruises.

I understand the frustration though.

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BusyBadger wrote:Get a passport card
The problem is you can only have a card OR a full passport, not both. If you don't care, go ahead. But the card is worthless outside of North America, really.
But if you travel, you probably already know this. Why am I telling you this? :gotme

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Dattebayo wrote:
BusyBadger wrote:Get a passport card
The problem is you can only have a card OR a full passport, not both. If you don't care, go ahead. But the card is worthless outside of North America, really.
But if you travel, you probably already know this. Why am I telling you this? :gotme
Yes, that card is useless for international air travel, including from Canada. Only helpful for the folks who cross by land or sea from Mexico, and the Caribbean.

I use my CA driving license pretty easily for domestic US air travel, but have also carried my US Passport on occasion.

For international air travel, a passport is required, but I also find my GOES card is a true god-send at many busy airports for entering the US. When I come back in, long multi-hour waits now only takes me 2 to 3 minutes on average. Well worth the $99 I shelled out for it, and after I got my approvals from the TSA and State Department, I love having it with me! :yesnod

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GOES card huh... I wasn't aware of it. Is it really better than a passport?

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Dattebayo wrote:GOES card huh... I wasn't aware of it. Is it really better than a passport?
Well, you still need a passport to get into other countries - and visa's too if required by that country (like in Brazil, for example). What the GOES card does is allow you get back to the US as rapidly as possible, and yes, you still need to have a valid passport.

With a GOES card, though, you don't have to wait in line with all the people off many planes (at busy airports) to talk to a Customs guy, get passport scanned, etc.

You simply insert your GOES card and US passport into a kiosk, place your fingertips on a scanner, answer a few questions on the screen (which allow you to also not fill out the Customs declaration form), and essentially walk through after handing the kiosk printout to the agent!

Much, much faster process - 2 to 3 minutes typically. I love it when coming back into the US from my international trips! For my job, I travel out of the country a bit, and this makes re-entry much quicker. On a short trip, I don't check luggage either - just carry on stuff - and I can get off the plane and to my car within 10 minutes usually.

The GOES approval process is non-trivial - requires a formal application, payment of a $99 fee every five years, justification (like lots of international travel), approval by the State Department, an interview by US Customs personnel (once). But well worth it. :yesnod

Having this GOES card approval done also gives me automatic TSA Pre status on all the large domestic airlines, so I breeze through the domestic airport security checks - no shoe or belt removal, no laptop out of the bag, simple metal detector only process! Just like the old pre-911 days. :)

Here is additional info: http://www.cbp.gov/global-entry/about.

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Dattebayo wrote:
BusyBadger wrote:Get a passport card
The problem is you can only have a card OR a full passport, not both.
Absolutely untrue. There's even a box to check on the passport application form if you want both a passport book and a card.

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And, if you already have a passport book you can apply for a card. I will agree that the card is useless for anything but the most limited of travel, but it's a great second form of identification in case you need one - that's the reason I have mine.

Make sure you know the facts before you go spreading your wisdom.

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BusyBadger wrote:Make sure you know the facts before you go spreading your wisdom.
No reason to get snarky since it was clearly just a misunderstanding there, mr. badger. It was stated to me as a fact back when I got my first one a few years ago.

Anyway, I do a lot of land crossings, so the card is on my list now. Thanks to all who knew that stuff.

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If only we could all be microchipped like dogs and consumer goods....

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themadscientist wrote:If only we could all be microchipped like dogs and consumer goods....

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Dattebayo wrote:No reason to get snarky...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxG_kGgcHRQ[/youtube]
Dattebayo wrote: ...it was clearly just a misunderstanding there, mr. badger. It was stated to me as a fact back when I got my first one a few years ago.
Based on your original post it didn't sound like a misunderstanding. But when it was pointed out that what you stated was a fact was completely wrong then it wasn't your error, rather someone else's. Next time you might start out with softer language such as a "I thought that..." or "I was told..."

How long ago did you get your passport? All of the searches I've done on the travel.state.gov, including Wayback Machine searches to 2006 (two years before the first card was ever issued) never stated that the passport books & cards were an either/or thing, I'm curious to know who said that they were.

In any case, the facts are out there now. Ironically enough, in my various searches I found specific references to use under the Real ID program, the start of all of this.
themadscientist wrote:If only we could all be microchipped like dogs and consumer goods....
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsmcDLDw9iw[/youtube]

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lol I just watched this on Netflix last night.

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What's the point of all this when I can still board a plane with my Costco card?

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Jesda wrote:What's the point of all this when I can still board a plane with my Costco card?
Yeah, right! :gapteeth:

You haven't changed your name to Marilyn Hartman, by any chance? http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Air ... 714271.php

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Might just be me, but I dont see anything wrong with this. My state ID/passport wont get me into ANY of the buildings I work in

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flohtingPoint wrote:Might just be me, but I dont see anything wrong with this. My state ID/passport wont get me into ANY of the buildings I work in
I suppose it depends on the building and facility. :chuckle:

Years ago, when I was doing some contract work at a very well-protected place, it was a non-trivial process to get to work. I had to be escorted by the manager of the program (driving my car, following his car) from the front gate of the facility to the building I worked in. Pain in the neck, since it took over an hour after I arrived at the facility to make it to my work spot - and the manager had to come get me, etc. - and only a little less long to leave, since he had to escort me out too.

After some clearance came through, I was allowed to drive myself to the building. No deviations from the path allowed - partly for my own safety too (I had to drive cross a runaway where jets took off and landed ... a mistake could have had fatal consequences for me and/or the pilots!)

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