I like ya OTW, but you missed the mark bigtime here.OutToWinPAHC wrote:As for the performance, ehh its just an off the lot car. 9 of 10 sold are just grocery getters for the pampered wifes, or Joe Homeowner who cant tell you much about anything under the hood.
haha... the killer is personal preference. Does anyone else have the BMW feel aside from BMW? Nope. Infiniti gets closer every time, but they still lack the solid, precise, technical feel of BMW.AZhitman wrote:You're 100% right on the "personal preference" issue, as well as the crappy G35 seats - But the rest is just nonsense.
8 series was designed by an italian. and its a rolling piece of crap.AZhitman wrote:Yep - I've just never liked the "feel" of a German car, be it Audi, BMW, VW...
Hell, I drove a $120K 8-series and wasn't terribly impressed with the performance or the "feel".
The "feel" includes the ergonomics, the switchgear, and the user interface - Anyplace you "touch" on the car. I simply prefer the feel of a Japanese vehicle.
Haha... so you realize you just made yourself as bad as them then? Nice work.J-Owner wrote:You know reading that E90 forum reminds me of how much I loathe BMW owners.
Talk about a bunch of narcissistic, elitist ^%#@!! You have to apply to own a BMW and the number one requirement is a two inch d***!!
I drove the BMW coupe when I was at Texas Motor Speedway and it was a drab boring POS!! I wouldn't drive that thing if someone gave it to me for free. I would trade it in on an Infiniti
And I agree......3xtreme or whatever is a moron!!
Sorry to be so blunt but I really really really despise BMW and Scion owners. If there are any of you on here that are also Infiniti fans then you are excluded of course.
Just my $0.02.
Well, I thought it was gorgeous, but weird... and slow. I doubt it's a "piece of crap", but I do know that my aging Q45 slapped it around from 0-100 (and won me dinner).ca18datsun510 wrote:
8 series was designed by an italian. and its a rolling piece of crap.
Where? Are you talking U.S. or worldwide? Are you talking sedans, coupes or combined? In the U.S., BMW sells more 3 series sedans than Infiniti sells G sedans. But, in the U.S. Infiniti sells more G coupes than BMW sells 3 series coupes. In the U.S. Infiniti averages 25K G coupe sales a year (altho 06 and 07 sales will be more than 20K but less than 25K) while BMW sells about 15K 3 series coupes a year in the U.S.torbach1 wrote:With the previous generation 3-series, BMW outsold Infiniti on the G35 by a fairly large margin...
Isn't that an oxymoron?Ty SE-R_92B13 wrote:... a magazine that has some credibility.
Your asinine comments make you look just as bad as, if not worse than, the BMW fanbois you're attacking. I own a BMW and would not consider myself to be narcissistic, nor elitist. And I would hardly call my 335 coupe "a drab boring POS"!J-Owner wrote:
Talk about a bunch of narcissistic, elitist ^%#@!! You have to apply to own a BMW and the number one requirement is a two inch d***!!
I drove the BMW coupe when I was at Texas Motor Speedway and it was a drab boring POS!! I wouldn't drive that thing if someone gave it to me for free. I would trade it in on an Infiniti Just my $0.02.
AZhitman, I've had a vastly different experience with loaner cars at my dealership in AZ (Chapman on Camelback). I've taken my 335 in once for an ipod install and was given an 06 X5; my gf took her 325 in just last week and she got a new x3. Perhaps things operate differently at the BMW dealership(s) you've visited? Recommend your friend take his car to Camelback if it is at all convenient the next time around. Certainly, loaner car policy (or lack thereof) may differ at individual dealerships. Your point, though, of Infiniti dealerships giving exclusively Infiniti loaner cars is well-noted...a great program.AZhitman wrote:
The first was me dropping my buddy's 5-series off for a bad TPS, and he got the 318. He's a commercial real estate broker making 8 figures a year. The 318 had 98K miles on it. Nice.
The second was an ex-GF who asked for my help with her Z3, which had persistent (4 visits) brake issues. She got no loaner, because I told them she wasn't authorizing any work until they called her to explain what was wrong with it.
gonna be some haters when the G37 pulls next to the 335soul_hfk wrote: about time them bimmer lovers get there chair pulled from under them oh sorry and thz for the post tux and welcome
At this point, who cares. A whole lot of misinformation going around with people comparing the Altima to the G and such without having a clue. The one thing I have noticed is that this forum does give kudo's where it is due (for the most part we are car enthusiast who lean towards Nissan products) while the BMW forums (and a few others) pretty much stick to their badge. In all honesty, the G should have won the last 3-series comparisson and BMW should have won this one.CakeDaddy wrote:
gonna be some haters when the G37 pulls next to the 335
wow! the boys on bimmerfest are heated. Someone said the G35/G37 is a poor mans bmw. what a stupid comment!! lol
read this:http://www.bimmerfest.com/foru...14081
Funny, I totally agree. I always thought the last G should have won that comparo. I never fully understood why the bimmer did.audtatious wrote:
At this point, who cares. A whole lot of misinformation going around with people comparing the Altima to the G and such without having a clue. The one thing I have noticed is that this forum does give kudo's where it is due (for the most part we are car enthusiast who lean towards Nissan products) while the BMW forums (and a few others) pretty much stick to their badge. In all honesty, the G should have won the last 3-series comparisson and BMW should have won this one.
It would be interesting to know what Infiniti has in store for the '09 G and how long it will take the aftermarket to come up with FI systems for the VQ35HR and VQ37VHR. Installing a FI system into the new G would put both cars on an equal price point with the performance nod being all Infiniti.
stick to your badge! I like thataudtatious wrote:
From a performace perspective you are correct. Of course, I'm sure the B-boys will increase their boost levels to compensate as well. As far as it no longer being a comparison, the 355i does have dual snails as it stands so the G with dual snails would simply flatten the playing field (altho at the cost of non-infiniti parts)joe603 wrote:If you put FI on the G...it would no longer be a comparison.
If they do that, they had better install a decent oil cooler to make up for BMW's engineering erroraudtatious wrote:
From a performace perspective you are correct. Of course, I'm sure the B-boys will increase their boost levels to compensate as well. As far as it no longer being a comparison, the 355i does have dual snails as it stands so the G with dual snails would simply flatten the playing field (altho at the cost of non-infiniti parts)
Point taken. I was never pointing any of my 10 fingers at Infiniti, merely at MotorTrend for not having 'procured' the 335 from BMW directly (sure, perhaps BMW was reluctant to provide the car themselves...who knows). Again, there probably was no wrongdoing on anybody's part. However, when a 3rd party is conducting a so-called 'non-biased' comparison of any type, you don't go out and let one of the competitors provide the other party's goods. It's just the sheer principle of it. I'm in no way trying to justify why the 335 lost in this article, merely saying that the magazine could have done a better job of providing a more convincing argument in favor of the G37. Keep in mind that the majority of 335's out there (and even the majority of tracked 335's) have not encountered such extreme overheating.audtatious wrote:As far as everyone complaining about Infiniti providing the 335i for the test, so what? The fact that the performance tests relatively all leaned towards BMW show that Infiniti did not work any black magic to skew numbers for the test. Sure, they could have lowered the output of the BMW while tweaking the G37 but the numbers show that did not happen. Finger pointing at Infiniti because they provided a car that did not come with a oil cooler from the factory is another cop out. BMW is the one who did not properly supply their cars with oil coolers in the first place.
Oh they could just option for the sport package (which more than 70% of 3 series owners do anyway) and get it from the factory. Mr. C is correct that if you have an auto w/sport you will receive an oil cooler at your request. I have an offer to put one in my car in writing, I declined for now since my car is running perfectly, and I don't want to mess with a good thing.joe603 wrote:
If they do that, they had better install a decent oil cooler to make up for BMW's engineering error
J-Owner wrote:I was extremely unimpressed with the BMW coupe. It was plain on the inside, I didn't care for the drive and the overall exterior appearance of the car was also exactly what I called it DRAB!!!!!!!!!
I didn't buy the 335 for its interior, and its exterior had very little sway in my decision (even though I love the way it looks). What got me out of my 06 A4 was a 20 minute testdrive. The dealmaker for me was how well it drives! The engine is phenomenal...tons of torque at low revs, zero turbo lag, well-connected to the road. Yes, a car is a total package, but most enthusiasts will judge a car based on its driving dynamics, not on sheer appearances alone.J-Owner wrote:I drove the BMW coupe when I was at Texas Motor Speedway and it was a drab boring POS!!
Boring is relative. I do not find the 335i to be an exhilarating car day to day, and I own one. I did not find my G coupe or G sedan to be that exciting day to day either - in normal driving conditions what they are are reasonably powerful, compliant, easy to drive rides that are comfortable as a DD. Neither is a sports car, they are tourers with a sporty side at best. Sure, they can be interesting to punch, but neither is going to give you that heart pounding thrill you get a a real sports car. On the track both cars are "fun" to drive, but not in the same sense as an S2000 or Elise or 360 or a bike is fun to drive. Neither rev particularly high (especially the 335i), one doesn't have LSD which makes hard corners a lot less fun, neither can be considered very firmly sprung from the factory, the steering on one is a tad artificial... But ya, they can still be interesting to drive; they are a good compromise of DD and reasonably fun get up and go car. That's indicative of the whole segment.MR C wrote:
I didn't buy the 335 for its interior, and its exterior had very little sway in my decision (even though I love the way it looks). What got me out of my 06 A4 was a 20 minute testdrive. The dealbreaker for me was how great it drives! The engine is phenomenal...tons of torque at low revs, zero turbo lag. Yes, a car is a total package, but most enthusiasts will judge a car based on its driving dynamics, not on sheer appearances alone.
Your original statement made it sound as if you had a boring time driving the car, which may be the case...you tell me. That would be the 1st time hearing that about the 335. I'm not a big fan of BMW's interiors, either. I was spoiled by Audi. The exterior of the 335...take it or leave it, but it is heaps better than previous Bangle designs. But I must say, and many would agree with me, that the 335 is far from boring to drive.
Agreed. The 335, and the G for that matter, are not exhilarating to drive. They are far from ideal track cars. Rather, they are a nice gateway to what their segment attempts to achieve: a nice blend of sport and luxury without necessarily setting benchmarks in either. However, imo the 335 is a fun and comfortable daily driver. If I wanted to sacrifice some of the creature comforts in lieu of more performance, I would've gotten a different auto.picus wrote:Now, saying one is bland and the other is a super fun race car as J-Owner implied is just sillyness (imo), despite the obvious differences in the *way* they accelerate (med to high revving NA 6 vs low revving TT), the G-sedan and 335i (and one can only assume G37) are very similar in the way they track or drive day to day. The 335i suits me more, but I don't find either to be more or less fun. I guess what I am saying is if the 335i is boring, the G37 probably won't be a heck of a lot more thrilling. They're both overweight pigs when it comes to really tossing them around. The track times will really tell the story; I'd be shocked if they are more than a second apart on a 5 minutes track with equally good drivers.
If you want a fun car grab a light roadster. Hell, a Mini Cooper-S would probably roll them both on a track just due to it's weight advantage.