Matic J tranny fluid will be no more! Auto Trans people Read!!

[Poyzinous]

Nissan Matic J Automatic Transmission Fluid will cease to exist. The New 7 Speed tranny uses Nissan Matic S. Matic S supercedes from Matic J, So basically your auto tranny will use Matic S. If you're thinking about doing a Auto Trans flush, wait a little while so you can get the new awesome stuff. Matic J was part number 999MP-MTJ00P and Matic S is just 999MP-MTS00P. It is the same price so don't freak out. The big differences between them are Matic S has better heat resistence and break downs less and is more durable, it is apparently nearly the same viscosity. It also it flows cleaner under pressure and it can substitute for blood if you get stabbed and need a refill . Matic S is also less bitter so there is better drinkability, and contains more Molybdenum and is enriched with Calcium and Iron . I may be joking about that last part. I don't know if it has more Molybdenum. But dont take the blood or potability parts serious either. Its trans fluid people, not One-a-day alcohol free liquor.

[SteveTheTech]

Good information s

From what I have heard they matic S equipped 7speeds do not require fluid replacement.

What's the cost per unit on that?

[Poyzinous]

It will be the same price as J. $11 to $17 a quart, depends what price the dealer sells it at.

[Sentientbydesign]

Dude. You're awesome. I have NO use for auto tranny fluid, but the comedic relief I get is priceless.

[Poyzinous]

Yeah I like doing that. I like to be entertaining. My writing can be easily identified...

[tollboothwilley]

Nice description! Loved it.

I read about this a few months ago and wrote something about it...but nobody knew. Thanks for the new confirmation.

Sadly, I just had my tranny fluid changed at the dealership a couple weeks ago and I bet they used the matic-J.

I've heard the S on Matic-S stands for synthetic, as this is a full synthetic fluid??? You know about that??

[kmech_7]

WOW......MATIC-S!!!!!!! To bad it is just another ploy to sell DEXTRON 3 at a over inflated price..


Did he say dextron 3? YES!!!!!!! thats all it is.

[Poyzinous]

No. It is not Dextron 3. Judging from the amount of work you have done on your car I assume you know something about 4 wheel Internal combustion transport vehicles. Dextron 3? You really think that the fluid that is made for a highly advanced 7 speed auto tranny can be the same fluid from your marvelous Ford Pinto? Do you run your 4 dollar a bottle vodka through a brita water filter 13 times before you drink it out of your winnie the pooh sippy cup? Because cheap vodka is just unfiltered expensive vodka? Please don't tell me your car is just a RWD luxury version of a nissan sentra rebadged in america as a G35. That would be too much. Oh and that 7 at the end of your name?
Yea its just a ploy to make the alphabet larger. Its really just a retarded upside down L.


Modified by Poyzinous at 12:01 PM 2/12/2009

[kmech_7]

Thats funny? ALMOST ALL BUILT TRANNYS ON G's and 350Z's USE DEXTRON 3.... and yes it is just dextron 3. How do I know that? I have a fully built G35 tranny. Infiniti in their infinite wisdom decided they need to charge outragous amounts for parts(dealer parts). So, in an atempt to make money(thats all it is) they decided to make it so the consumer(us) needed to buy only their products or you car would "malfunction".
This of course is not true however. The only thing different from Nissan Matic-J and dextron 3 is the label(and a redicuolus price tag /quart). Will nissan admit to this? NO. And why not you ask? Well they wouldnt get all that lovely money you are willing to dish out because then how would they be able to charge you $110 for fluid alone considering this is dextron 3 with a label change?

If more people acculy sat down and researched this they would realize this. Im not trying to say people are dumb by any means but you know as well as I do many people just want to follow "dealer prescribed" rules of maintinece. Is this always the right? No. Not always the case.

If you do not believe me please E-mail me and I will show you what you would like to know. Now in saying this i dont want to be flooded with e-mails from everyone but if you are really cirious please feel free.

No. It is not Dextron 3. Oh and that 7 at the end of your name?
Yea its just a ploy to make the alphabet larger. Its really just a retarded upside down L.

And to this comment.....please realize I am not anyone new on this board. This is not my first post and I have been here for a while. I do have a G with over 400whp. I do know a thing or two about this. With being here for a while I have also established myself as an educating and problem solving member on NICO. I also have helped numorous members of this site with many problems. If I could not help I tried to find some-one who could so please realize to whom you are trying to polk fun at and dont disrespect anyone on this board again. Thanx.

Kev

[Poyzinous]

Sounds to me like you need to do some more research. Check the compounds in Matic S and see if you can figure out the extra secret additives that nissan puts into them to distinguish them from the dextron you buy at walmart and autozone and whatnot. and its not almost all, ALL auto trannys use matic J. And finally, I wasn't POLK -ing fun. Polk is the last name of the 11th US president. If you read more of my posts, you'll notice I am very thorough and twitchy with all my posts, not just you buddy, though you are special now that I see you have a wicked awesome ROTM G coupe. I want 400hp as well. If you felt disrespected, I'll try to remember you're a bit more sensitive so I'll take it easier. Because I could also say you disrespected me by trying to tip over my fruit cart by saying half your response with a faulty caps lock button. that WOW and ploy and YES and !!! could have been unnecessary as well.

[kmech_7]

Did I say go to walmart to get ATF? I dont remember saying that. Funny?

Also I'm sorry for my one or two misspels. Ill try harder next time.


Sounds to me like you are the sesative one. Upset by me pushing over your "fruit cart" and all. I just dont want people to waste thier hard earned money on a label.

Oh and the diffence is red dye(That red dye also is a detergent to clean the internals of the tranny / Dextron 3) And the label.

Ohh and the type S thats comming out is just another label.


Thanx,
Kev



Modified by kmech_7 at 10:25 AM 2/12/2009

[tollboothwilley]

Kev - Poyzinous means no harm. He is an educated infiniti tech. Of course he is going to stand by all infiniti products.

I'm sending you an email because I am curious about your findings with the fluids...

[SteveTheTech]

For stock auto transmissions starting with the RE5 (02+Q) Nissan started using a different fluid with less detergents and slightly different additives.

If you are taking out the original valve body and replacing all of the seals, servos, and sealing devices. I would say you may be able to get away with something else but I wouldn't risk it if it were my car. Why risk it to save a few bucks if you are already building the trans?

This thread was started as an informative thread. If you want to start taking it off topic we can split it and you and poyzinous can sling mud at each other there.

Matic J and S are they only fluids that will not void your warranty If you have a built setup then that is no longer an issue, however if you take the car to your buddies shop and he just adds Dex to it you will loose hold and apply pressure cause slippage. It's just the nature of the beast.

Kmeck- Your participation here is appreciated and a belated congrats on the ROTM. Since many people will read this that are running stock setups please keep that in mind, yes you built yours and used something else with success but we don't want to send the wrong message to people.Your information is a just not correct for the topic here.

[SteveTheTech]

type S thats comming out is just another label.

If you have any proof stating this please pass it on, I will correct myself if I am wrong. Because from what I have read is the RE7 was actually designed around this fluid and the engineers might like to know they could have used the same fluid as my 88 Acura.

[Sentientbydesign]

Gentlemen...& Steve


Let's step back for a minute. Enough with the history lessons (Poyzinous, if you actually rememebered which President Polk was from HS you have issues ). And Kevin, lay off on the new guy. He brings comedy to a PMSing G forum (and some very useful "insider" information )

Here's what I'm going to say...A little research makes me want to believe that there is something different between Dexron III and the Nissan Fluid...however, I'm also not inclined to believe that the Nissan fluid is magical and one place I read stated that the Nissan fluid was very similar if not the same as the one Suby requires in their trannies. I highly doubt either company manufactures the stuff, which means some company is probably selling it to different auto manufacturers and the dealers mark it up.

So until we KNOW better. Matic-J/S is different than Dexron III, but is still probably highly over-priced because Poyzinous has to pay for all of those history books on tape

In related news, 4drmadness was charged around $100 for a tranny flush (could have been just a drain and fill) at Riverside Infiniti.

[Poyzinous]

Thanks john and steve, for jumping in to ref this match.
I just wanted to inform everyone of new stuff going on. But by now I'm sure you've noticed I'm special in my own way with my posts.
Kev(in) I don't think I'm sensitive, I enjoy verbal thrashings and entertaining bickering, especially when I can hop in with an already seeming lack of subtlety. I dont take things too personally, becuase we talk about our cars. Lets just have fun and share. We're really just in a mostly adult like show-and-tell elementary school class when you think about it.

And nate, want more insider info?
Nissan shared some of their trannys with subaru back in the day, I dont know what else is shared nowadays...


Modified by Poyzinous at 1:16 PM 2/12/2009

[Sentientbydesign]

STDs, but that's for another thread

[Poyzinous]

You can pass those to and from your car? I'll need to have a long chat with my G... and my doctor/technician. damn i'm itchy

[kmech_7]

So what your saying is Poyzinous is comic relief and it shouldnt burn when i pee?


Modified by kmech_7 at 11:42 AM 2/12/2009

[kmckis1029]

this is why i love this forum... arguments are over technical stuff about cars... not how fast your ricer is... and i get to sit back, read, learn, all while being entertianed

i might even throw in a comment or two if i know about the subject... but i have only had my G35x 6 months, so im enjoying this learning...

Keep up the great imformative arguments!

[Poyzinous]

If it burns when you pee you may just have a urinary tract infection. It can be resolved by drinking plenty of water. It could be the big C though, not P. Or just kidney stones. So also drink plenty of water, avoid grapefruit juice, and take a normal dosage of Non Steroidal Anti Inflammatory Drugs.

[kmech_7]

If it burns when you pee you may just have a urinary tract infection. It can be resolved by drinking plenty of water. It could be the big C though, not P. Or just kidney stones. So also drink plenty of water, avoid grapefruit juice, and take a normal dosage of Non Steroidal Anti Inflammatory Drugs.

so you've been there huh? It sux...lol

[Poyzinous]

awwww.... you edited your post and set me up. Good job. That was fun.

[kmech_7]

I still hate you.....but your just so darn cute.....

lol!

j/k

[Sentientbydesign]

Kevin... Poyzinous is NOT that bunny we were talking about earlier, so don't get any ideas

[Poyzinous]

Bunny? you guys gotta stop with that secret

[Sentientbydesign]

You pissed him off enough to call me earlier...We spoke about him doing a write up for a custom title and I suggested a "great" title...Not safe for the kiddies eyes.

[kmech_7]

Oh, Oh, right, right, not the bunny.....got it....


but look at those ears......and his cotton tail......i mean...


I still think "Unicorn Parking Only" is a great title.




Modified by kmech_7 at 12:59 PM 2/12/2009

[Poyzinous]

poo.

[tollboothwilley]

LOL

So, Kevin

Let us in on some of the info you have then!

[kmech_7]

here is a sample:

Thank you for contacting Castrol North America.

Castrol Multi-Vehicle ATF provides customers with a single ATF product that meets multiple specifications.

Multi-Vehicle ATF provides the following benefits:
- Enhanced friction durability for smooth transmission operation
- Exceptional high temperature protection to effectively resist fluid oxidation
- Superb low temperature fluidity for cold weather shifting.

Castrol Multi-Vehicle ATF is recommended for use for the following
specifications:

1. ATF+, ATF+2, ATF+2 Type 7176
2. Mitsubishi Diamond SP-II and SP-III
3. ATF+3, ATF+4
4. Nissan Matic-D and Matic-J
5. BMW LT71141 and LA2634
6. Toyota Type T, T-III and T-IV
7. Dexron, Dexron-II, Dexron-III and Dexron-IID
8. Voith 55.6335.32 (G607)
9. Honda ATF-Z1 (except CVTs)
10. Volvo (except 5-speed)
11. MAN 339F
12. ZF TE-ML 14B and TE-ML 16L

This product is only available through dealerships and Oil Change locations featuring Castrol and not through Castrol retailers.

Than you for your interest in Castrol, The Technology Leader!

Castrol Consumer Relations

also:

Genuine NISSAN ATF Matic Fluid J or exact equivalent.
Using A/T fluid other than NISSAN Genuine ATF Matic Fluid J or exact equivalent will cause deterioration in driveability and A/T durability, and may damage the A/T, which is not covered by the NISSAN new vehicle limited warranty. Currently available exact equivalents to NISSAN Genuine ATF Matic Fluid J are Castrol Transmax J or IDEMITSU ATF HP

and:

Pennzoil® Multi-Vehicle ATF is a special blend of high-quality mineral base stocks with an advanced additive system for automatic and powershift transmissions. It meets the requirements of transmissions requiring DEXRON® -III, MERCON®, MERCON® V and Allison C-4 fluid. In addition, Pennzoil® Multi-Vehicle ATF is recommended by Pennzoil® for Chrysler automatic transmissions and can function as a Caterpillar TO-2 lubricant. Pennzoil® Multi-Vehicle ATF is formulated to provide protection that meets or exceeds the highest quality standards in the industry.

PENNZOIL® MULTI-VEHICLE ATF is suitable for use in applications requiring:

DEXRON®, DEXRON®-II, DEXRON®-III.
MERCON®, MERCON® V.
Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Plymouth (except NAG1 that requires Shell 3403 ATF).
Allison C-4.
Toyota T, T-III, T-IV.
Honda Premium Formula ATF, ATF-Z1 (except in CVTs).
Mitsubishi/Kia/Hyundai SP, SP-II, SP-III.
Nissan Matic -D, Nissan Matic-J.
BMW LA2634, LT71141.

Not for use in vehicles requiring Type F, DEXRON®-VI, MERCON® SP, Full Synthetic MERCON®, Nissan Matic K, Toyota/Lexus WS, Mercedes Benz 3403-M115, BMW 1375.4, or Volvo 1161540-8. Also not for use for CVT. Check owner's manual and/or dipstick for exact specification.

[SteveTheTech]

Will they warranty your transmission if you use that?
I just don't get why you would cheap out on something like this? It's like putting the cheapest tires and brakes on your car, I would personally not jeopardize my families safety with something that may cause me to get stuck, when there is something that is designed for it. Save your pennies and do the job right.

I'm sure there are only a few fluid characteristics that work well for the demanding needs of an automatic transmission. I would personally give you a 3 of 5 for your Googling skills. Of course you loose a few points for copy pasting product marketing.


The reason I am leaning the other way is from what I have seen. I get to see them when people take their cars elsewhere. Now they feel a slipping (especially during the 2/3 shift under normal to moderate throttle input) or erratic TCC operation due to a loss of fluid pressure during extended TCC duty cycles.

[SteveTheTech]

You pissed him off enough to call me earlier...We spoke about him doing a write up for a custom title and I suggested a "great" title...Not safe for the kiddies eyes.

[Poyzinous]

How very inappropriate, thank you. I needed that.

[kmech_7]

Will they warranty your transmission if you use that?
I just don't get why you would cheap out on something like this? It's like putting the cheapest tires and brakes on your car, I would personally not jeopardize my families safety with something that may cause me to get stuck, when there is something that is designed for it. Save your pennies and do the job right.

I'm sure there are only a few fluid characteristics that work well for the demanding needs of an automatic transmission. I would personally give you a 3 of 5 for your Googling skills. Of course you loose a few points for copy pasting product marketing.


The reason I am leaning the other way is from what I have seen. I get to see them when people take their cars elsewhere. Now they feel a slipping (especially during the 2/3 shift under normal to moderate throttle input) or erratic TCC operation due to a loss of fluid pressure during extended TCC duty cycles.

I doint understand how you think it is cheaping out on something like this. The original fluid nissan used for its matic-j was made by castrol. So does this mean if I put the castrol in my car I am cheaping out? NO. This just means that I dont feel the need to pay for an item that has been marked-up to buy through a dealer to give me that little butterfly feeling in my tummy knowing I got it from a dealer so it must be right. I dont know how many times I can say this but....THE DEALER IS NOT ALWAYS RIGHT!

I have done a lot of things to my car and just because I dont use Matic-j from nissan doesnt make me wrong. I also do have a fully built tranny that is able to withstand 800whp. How many of you have that? Im pretty sure once you hit 400whp you will need a new one. I know, this built one is #3. The other 2 were stock auto trans with matic j only. I also dont use majik pixi dust oil from nissan. does this also make me wrong? I do use Royal Purple 10w-30. I also have many mods done to my car as you can check by my sig(I cant fit them all in).


I guess the point I'm trying to make is this-
"Just because the dealer wants you to believe something doesnt make it true. If I were to stick to stock rims and tires, also dealer prescribed, I would have no traction and I wouldnt be at the race track on my 285/45-17 slicks either. I dont want to here that 'that's different'. Guess what-ITS NOT."

[SteveTheTech]

THE DEALER IS NOT ALWAYS RIGHT!

Nor are random people on the internet. I have done lots of things to lots or peoples cars. WTF is your point?

The great thing about America is you can do whatever the hell you want to your car, by all means go on be fast and or furious. I lack the motivation and patience to pursue this further.

This is turning into a "Driver" worthy thread.

[Sentientbydesign]

Disclaimer to all non-Nissan employees:

The guys that work at Nissan/Infiniti have either been trained, have experienced, or are simply insuring business for themselves.

Does that mean they are brainwashed, dumb, sneaky? Not necessarily, it could be any one of those, or they could genuinely believe that the OEM design was perfect.

On the flip side, there were NUMEROUS design flaws on the G and Z that were gradually improved upon or completely scrapped and redesigned in 07/08. As it is, Nissan screwed up on the VQ37HR so... yeah.

Take it as you will. I think we've all come to the conclusion that Matic-J/S is NOT the same as Dexron III, however you can get the same fluid for less if you can find out who else is bottling it

[kmech_7]

I'll go with that.

[tollboothwilley]

I think that was well put Nate.

A good readers digest version of the 2nd half of this thread.

Either way, the Nissan Matic-S fluid is BETTER than the Nissan Matic-J.

That was the reason for this thread to begin with.

[Poyzinous]

Ok Kev. I think I figured out your philosophy.
I will attempt to explain it via visual aids, a caption for said visual aids,
and sprinkle, lather, bake at 350*F in a preheated oven on a lightly oiled 2
inch deep pan for one hour.

According to you, nissan takes stuff from other companies and relabels it as their own.
For example,
Nissan goes to the dollar store (or worthy value store) and purchases
the following oil for $2.50 a quart.


Neat huh? Yeah I wouldn't use this oil to torture my neighbors Honda. Excuse the foul language.

Here is The product!



I don't know about you, but I like fresh squeezed OJ with my breakfast. Not worm ridden grapefruit juice. It can cause UTI. 'member?
Anyway, Nissan then(allegedly) proceeds to turn the product into their own creation...


They do a fairly good job as you can clearly see. Look at that detail

Just marvelous.
Could have fooled me...
Anyway,
So why is "Ester Oil" 3 times more than regular oil?
Changing a black bottle is time consuming, and costs $3 worth of white out.
Plus there is the labor intensive task of painting the darn bottle...
...
But its totally worth it.
The results are spectacular!

So after letting the oil ferment and absorb the love, tenderness, and hard work into massaging it from its previous state, Ester Oil becomes a high quality oil specially formulated for your 9 thousand dollar engine.

Set to cool for 20 minutes before consuming. You may add your choice of cake frosting. Serves 1 to 1,000; depending on how you can slice your stuff...

If I had Matic S and some Castrol atf, I would have used them for my magnificent composition. Sorry Kev. When I get them I might do it for fun.
This took me an hour to do. Anyway, hope you guys enjoyed it!




Modified by Poyzinous at 11:07 PM 8/12/2009