Hydrogen Fuel Cells?

[NYCQDude]

Anyone know if these work?

http://www.mimousa.com/home.asp?dir=prodsexp&sub=123

Thanks

[superuber]

They are a waste of time and money.

[Skibane]

Yep - A scam.

[Q45tech]

Rank liquid [and gases] things by btu per pound, then explore the production cost per pound.
Obviously a low cost nuclear reactor could produce H2 cheapest from pure water on the fly.
Currently LPG [or home compressed but not liquified methane heating gas] is and will be the lowest cost fuel on a btu per pound basis for the next few decades.

[Kiven422]

my dad has been telling me about this for over 10 years... to research this stuff and start a business with it.. telling me its the future and here it comes, damn i was spoiled.

funny thing is that he also told me about how he argued with his professor in Uni back in the 1970s if cars can run on water... he was actually kicked out of the class for arguing that its possible.

[Q45tech]

arguing without enough scientific and math knowledge to back up your position just proves incompetence on the part of the lesser educated in the field.

Post docs write papers and books everyday outlining different positions.

Everything is about the net btu per pound/gram of a fuel.

Learning how to debate is sometimes more important than what one debates

[NYCQDude]

Thank you all

[Skibane]

my dad has been telling me about this for over 10 years... to research this stuff and start a business with it.. telling me its the future and here it comes

He's certainly not alone - A whole lot of folks got taken in by the "Hydrogen Generator" scam.

Here in SATX, a popular, well-respected repair shop owner put up big bucks on the concept - and has been waiting over 2 years for a real product to sell to his customers.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Selling pseudoscience is an artform. When you find the razor edge between what laymen can understand and what still manages to sound like real science, you can convince most people of anything. Few people will dig very deep so long as you use words that sound interesting and sciencey enough to be just barely over their heads while still allowing them to understand what you're trying to say. The truly amazing part is how the convinced layman will then turn to criticize those who use reality to check the facts on the pseudoscience, as though the fact-checkers are conspiring to hide some fantastic secret of the universe. Funny how the otherwise pervasive rules of the free market cease to operate when it supports the paranoia of conspiracy theorists. The auto companies don't want you to know! Nevermind the fact that they themselves would benefit most from the device and thus they clearly would have been the first to utilize it if it were a genuinely viable idea.

Anyway, hydrogen "boosters" and fuel cells are not the same thing. The hydrogen boosters you can supposedly add to your car are simply hydrogen injection systems. A hydrogen fuel cell is a device that converts hydrogen into electrical energy through . Two very different things. But it's worth pointing out that, despite the latter being much more practical, it still isn't cost-effective due to the inefficiency (and thus cost) inherent to producing hydrogen. And if the best of laboratory conditions STILL can't efficiently convert hydrogen (lots of energy lost in the process) what makes people think you can build something at home that will?

With the current green hype combined with the alternate fuel hype on top of CAFE pushing automakers to become as efficient as possible, if hydrogen boosters truly were a viable fuel economy enhancer, they'd already be in every car produced from the factory. But they're not. No concepts feature them. No research vehicles test them. There are cars experimenting with various electric and alternative fuel systems, but none using hydrogen boosters. Because it's a crock.

The secrets of science do not hide on the internet. They prove themselves in the real world.

Note that this isn't directed at any individuals...just my view on the matter in general.