hey GT-R groupies

[themadscientist]

Click it. Sounds a lot like what I have been saying. I mean other than autosticks, traction control and ABS in a "sports car" is for pole smoking ****s. http://www.righttorepair.org/

Keep chomping on that bait gents, technology is your friend, your governments and big business love you. Idiots, like lambs to the slaughter.

[JustinStrife]

15 Threads a day on the new GT-R isn't enough. We need 50!

[themadscientist]

well, this is more about this trend overall. All cars seem to be migrating to a state where they are effectively sealed off.

[crackler]

That (locked out computer systems) is one of the main reasons why the last couple cars I have bought are OBDI. I want to be able to actually work on my car myself, and not need a $250+ code scanner just to clear codes to dro a CEL.

Plus; traction control, launch control, auto sticks,TCS, DBC, DSC, stereo's, cruise control, power stearing, power windows, power door locks, power seats, reclining seats, heated seats, and any other "driver aid" is for hacks that don't know what true car control means.

TMS, you didn't even bring up black boxes. . .

[Cold_Zero]

I see that my dead Congresswoman is a cosponsor of the bill. I guess I can't call her and tell her to support the legislation.

[themadscientist]

TMS, you didn't even bring up black boxes. . .

you mean like On-star? Neat, we can remote control your car but we swear we would never do anything sneaky like, oh, I don't know alert the DOT when your car throws a check engine light and you don't immediately drive to a repair facility and get it in the pooper? GPS is awesome, let's see how cool you think it is when you speed and your GPS tells the satellite. Nice ticket in absentia. It will free up the cops time to eat more doughnuts and play hide the nightstick. Get in line good citizen, the big machine knows what you need to keep you in line. Pathetic mindless consumer, consume. Eat that *#@% sandwich with a smile and tell me how I am the dumb one.

[crackler]

Amen Brother, Amen!

Can I get a hallalua!!!

What about the insurance and state govn't using on board data recorders to verify if you were speeding before you slammed into that car? I believe; if I am not mistaken, there is at least one F-body owner that can tell you all about it.

And some of the rental companies WERE raising rates if their on-board GPS detected you speeding, Hurtz, I think. . . Nothing like corporate tickets to match your Govn't issued ones.

What every you do, Don't ever think for yourself, use critical thinking of any kind, or question the corporate/Government line. They would never lie. . . Just keep drinking your Cokes and keep watching your TV shows, your Government is busy insuring your safety while you sleep.

[themadscientist]

Not speeding in a rental car is like letting a chick bend over in front of you and not scopin the panties! That would be unamerican. If you don't speed in a rental car the terrorists win.

[crackler]

Not speeding in a rental car is like letting a chick bend over in front of you and not scopin the panties! That would be unamerican. If you don't speed in a rental car the terrorists win.

If ALL you do is speed in one, than there is something wrong with you.

[hsckris]

Plus; traction control, launch control, auto sticks,TCS, DBC, DSC, stereo's, cruise control, power stearing, power windows, power door locks, power seats, reclining seats, heated seats, and any other "driver aid" is for hacks that don't know what true car control means.

While this may be true (though I take issue with power accessories and cruise control b/c they sure make a d.d. a lot more comfortable), it isn't true for most buyers -- especially on high performance cars. Most buyers would kill themselves in a family sedan without traction control, etc.

[Cold_Zero]

There is a case out in California where a parent installed GPS in his kids car with the option of tracking the path and speed of the car. The kid was pulled over for speeding and the GPS gives a (slower) different speed. So they were taking the case to court. I need to look up the case to see what ever happened with it. Apparently, GPS is more accurate than radar in measuring speed.

Which reminds me of TMS's rant. Last winter, my wife's battery died during a snow storm. So she left the car in the work parking lot and hitched a ride home with a fellow teacher. I went back the next day to replace the battery and after hooking up the new battery, the car would not start. So.... I had to call the Nissan Dealership and they informed me that if the car is without power for a long period of time, the ECU has to be 're-learned.' So I had to have the car towed to the dealership and have them 're-learn' the ECU. It was a costly do it yourself project. Especially when I was trying to save some money. This is the type of crap that pisses me off.

[nchopp]

Nice ticket in absentia. It will free up the cops time to eat more doughnuts and play hide the nightstick.

[nchopp]

There is a case out in California where a parent installed GPS in his kids car with the option of tracking the path and speed of the car. The kid was pulled over for speeding and the GPS gives a (slower) different speed. So they were taking the case to court. I need to look up the case to see what ever happened with it. Apparently, GPS is more accurate than radar in measuring speed.

Depends on the type on many variables - it's not necessarily more accurate, but often is. Depends on the type of radar, the weather, when the radar was last calibrated, etc.

[OriginalWheelman]

Depends on the type on many variables - it's not necessarily more accurate, but often is. Depends on the type of radar, the weather, when the radar was last calibrated, etc.

Funny story, I actually got out of a ticket for 55 in a 30. I knew I wast going faster than 55, so that got me thinking. In New York state the police are required to calibrate their radar guns before every shift. I asked for a trial, and asked for the logs at the trial to prove the gun was calibrated before the shift. Mysteriously the log was missing when they came back for court.

[Jookmasta]

well the ABS i feel isn't as bad as you think. the rest of the stuff you listed is spot on. On Star is great for the grandparents and the single mother who knows nothing about cars. I personally don't care for OBD II cars myself but i don't think we can escape that for much longer. 1995 was i think the last year of OBD I production vehicles and VERY VERY few consumers would actually consider purchasing a 13 year old car. Honestly, if i had a family and was in need of a SUV or minivan, I would have to probably buy something newer just because I don't want to have to replace all the wear and tear parts on a 13 year old vehicle. It sucks that they have all these devices to track you but did you expect anything less? It is only a matter of time till technology intervenes with the laws of society so what can you do? I will say though that in about 6-7 years, the amount of OBD I cars on the road is going to DRASTICALLY drop. we do love our 240s and whatever else may be OBD I on this site but realistically, people will get better paying jobs and may actually want to get something new. I myself will still be driving the little 240sx but I feel that the majority won't be..........

[notslow]

Not speeding in a rental car is like letting a chick bend over in front of you and not scopin the panties! That would be unamerican. If you don't speed in a rental car the terrorists win.

No matter what anyone says, the best handling, best performing vehicle is always a rental vehicle.

This legislation is a great idea. I hope the Conservative government or the opposition develops something similar here. The design of newer vehicles today is my biggest set back in getting one. I do not want to put myself in the greedy hands of auto dealers.

[C-Kwik]

What about the insurance and state govn't using on board data recorders to verify if you were speeding before you slammed into that car? I believe; if I am not mistaken, there is at least one F-body owner that can tell you all about it.

I see no problem with that. As a former insurance adjuster, it can be hard to prove speed in many cases. At least to any significant extent. The fact is people lie about what happens in an accident. Some don't even do it intentionally. In any case, ultimately, its about placing blame appropriately. I see nothing wrong with that. Its not like in this type of use, they are randomly pulling the data to see if you are speeding. They are doing so in conjunction with an accident. Consider the possibility that a loved one gets seriously injured or killed in an accident because someone is doing something wrong. Imagine they get away with it because of a lack of evidence. Imagine, there is a way to try and remedy that.

There is also some valuable data that manufacturers can use as well to improve the safety of a car. Despite all the testing they do, there are more potential accident scenarios than they can account for. While I am sure they do field analysis in some major accident cases, such a black box could provide much insight and releive some of the forensic work that would need to be done. Perhaps even allow them to look at a bigger sample and allow them to make changes more quickly.

It can actually also be used by the goverment for great purposes as well. It still relates to accidents, but the type of data these black boxes store can be used to recreate driver inputs. They can evaluate certain factors like how the road was made to try and make roads safer and try and reduce the number of accidents that might occur.

As for OBDII, I welcome it. It is somewhat of a burden for modding, but on the plus side, it has helped me many times in tracking down a problem. One in particular with an S14 I owned was a break in the coolant temp sensor wire. Had I not had a code pointing me to the sensor, I wouldn't have known to even try looking at the sensor let alone the wiring for it.