Emanage Blue for KA-T

[Drftwell]

ok so im thinking about getting the emanage blue for my ka-t project. But ive heard alot of bad stuff about it.... i just wanted to hear from some ppl that are using it and some that are using other products..... should i just wait and get the emanage ultimate or go ahead and get the emanage blue???? im only going to be looking for 250-350 hp on stock internals now... so its going to be low boost (4-7psi) , probably a t25 or a t3 , 370cc injectors and such. my mods so far are ssauto mani , 94mm trust exhaust , and removed emissions. its for a 95 s14. so if anyone out there could help me out it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks everyone for reading

[Edub1]

There are better tuning options. Have you checked out the Bikirom?

[Drftwell]

na not really. But im new to tuning and such . Ive heard of megasquirt and such . Looks reallllllyyyy complicated. But tuning is somethign that i really want to learn. This will be my first turbo car so i want to do it simple but right. But im going with stock internals now because im not looking for much power. The motor is getting a complete rebuild tho to make sure everything is good. Ive got a cometic 3 layer to go on too

[Drftwell]

::bump:: anyone out there???

[Edub1]

Megasquirt is an inexpensive stand alone ECU that you assemble your self. Bikirom is a daughterboard that you solder into your ECU and it comes with software that allows you to tune.

Most people are of the opinion that piggybacks can be problematic for the following reason.

Your ECU bases the injectors pulse width on load & RPM. There is a global formula for this and then adjustments are made based on info contained in a spread sheet that plots engine load against RPM. Piggiebacks alter this global setting according to the new injector size, typically cutting it in half. This changes the base pulse width (TP) to give an A/F ratio that is basically stoich but can cause the ECU to look to the wrong areas of the map. Where this is especially problematic is timing.

Bottom line, the Bikirom costs less than the Emanage if I'm not mistaken and will allow you to tune properly. Even if you only use it to tune fuel and use a BTM for boost retard it is worth doing.

If you're a DIY kind of guy, check out http://www.hybridka.com. There is info on fitting your ECU with a daughterboard and all that stuff.

[Chezedik]

What bad things have you heard about emanage?

[Drftwell]

well so far im looking at the ultimate.... it sounds like the best bang for the buck for what im looking for (something to learn how to tune , something simple and basic) but i know i need something to control timing and the ultimate has that..... it has alot of the features that i need , that the emanage blue doesnt have. So i think combined with a uego or some other wideband (the ultimate has a self tune mode that will help me somewhat , from then on i can make finer adjustments) this would be my best option. Maybe a bikirom, megasquirt, or an AEM EMS later on for when i get my fully built bottom end. But for now im not looking for huge #'s , just 200-300 or so.... nothing special... just to get me going and learn how to tune. Does anyone know where i can get a good walkthrough on injector tables and everything like that. Im still really confused with those..... - load,duty cycle, etc etc........ thanks for all of the help everyone and ill post pics up as soon as i get some stuff assembled. Also im looking for a holset turbo with minimal shaft play. thanks everyone once again

[Chezedik]

blue has timing control, and through the use of alpha tools you can have auto tune. As far as I am concerned, Ultimate only has a few features that are nice (but not necessary). You can tune for coolant temp, turn on the fans with it, and convert to a standalone MAP. But with blue I can add a MAP (to augment the function of the MAF for boost). I can buy a relay set to control my fan, and as for the temp tuning ability, you shouldn't drive hard until you are at temp anyway. So that said, I saved 300 bux. But it's entirely up to you. If I were going to spend that kind of money, Biki is the only thing I would consider. Just my $.02.

[tvmendoza]

Hello, chezedik i have a couple of questions for you, if you dont mind me asking.

-Can get rid from maf with the emanage blue? if not which mafs can i use? -You said something about using the maf and then the map on boost, that means that i can keep my stock maf and then use a diferent tune with another sensor or how does that works?-With the emanage blue are you directly controlling injectors or how does that work, i know there is a injector arness, but it is working just plugged to the ecu or is direct plugged to the injectors?

I like the idea of not paying a lot of money for an standalone and not having to wait for biki to sell his boards, so if you give me a little help with the emanage probably i will get it.

thanks in advanceTona

[Chezedik]

Sure here is the answer to your Q's:- No, you still have to have a MAF (at least with blue, you can delete it totally with Ultimate)-Yes, the emanage can correct for boost in fuel and timing. It does it based on pressure in the map. - You are tapping into each of the injectors and adjusting their pulswidth. Or you can adjust fuel using the an airflow adjustment, like you would with SAFC.

If you have any other Q's, just let me know.

[Dustin240]

How about the airflow adjustment map. How can it give u the proper amount of fuel if the map uses the Throttle position% and rpm? Seems the TB % can change while the boost can be the same and the car hits boost at different rpms. The mafs tells the ECU the amount of air being used not so much the TPS or RPM. So will the emanage tell the ecu to give it more fuel based on the TB% on top of what the mafs is telling it?

The map sensor for the emanage is 120$ is there a cheaper one that works?
Modified by Dustin240 at 8:47 PM 11/6/2006

[Chezedik]

I am still a little iffy since I am still trying to get mine to work (among other things), but it should use TPS, MAF v, and RPM. So presumably it will use kPA, TPS, and RPM with the MAP. Another possibility is that it will have a trim that it adds per pound of boost, say you add 5% per psi. Finally, it could just have a separate map. I will have to get mine up and running before I can say for sure.

As far as the sensor itself, the voltages must be programmable because people are using the GM 2 and 3 bar maps, which are very affordable. I got mine for 10 bux.

[WDRacing]

Just my .02 here, but I wouldn't buy the blue if the Ultimate is an option. The way it controls the injectors alone makes it FAR better. MAF delete...hello, Ultimate FTW!!!!!!!!!!!

WD

[Chezedik]

Agreed, but usually cost is a factor. Which makes blue a winner.

And here's a pic of my favorite flowers...

[WDRacing]

I new you were a Pansie...lol, gotcha good ****er

[Chezedik]

Mod out of control? No, just crazy. My favorite flower is the Snap Dragon.

[Drftwell]

ok so , Ultimate is far better or what? I know that it would be alot easier than the blue because it comes with alot of features that i would have to upgrade to if i got the blue. Cost almost equals out , but you still cant go to a map with blue (correct??????) . so with all of this said , Ultimate is sounding far better. I can just go ahead and by a couple other lil things i will be needing and save enough extra cash to go ahead and get the ultimate. if someone could , list the pros and cons (blue vs Ultimate) just to simplify everything for everyone else. In my quest for answers ive come upon quit a few ppl who are asking the same thing so this may help them aswell. Thanks once again for everything guys.

[WDRacing]

There are no cons against the Ultimate. Its either better or the same in every category. But its better in ALOT of them...Blue = Ultra Gay, which explains why Cheze likes it so much

[Edub1]

These guys are talking about the DE motor. Why on earth would he not go with Bikirom? He could even go Biki+BTM for the same or less money.

[WDRacing]

Oh I'd go Biki for sure...I'm just saying the Ultimate is better then the "Gay Blue"

[Drftwell]

how hard is a biki to tune tho?? ive never dealt with tuning before , so i want something somewhat simple. I have ppl that know how to tune and are using EMS's and megasquirt that are going to help me tune my car but i want something good for myself to start learning on.

[Chezedik]

d!ck in each hand, that's how I roll. It's like skiing... but with d!ck.

[Drftwell]

::lil JOhn voice:: WHHHHHHAAAAAATTTTTT??!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Drftwell]

also what sized turbo would be good for 250-350 whp , t3/t4 flange

[WDRacing]

The T3/TO4E in 50trim with either a .48AR or .63AR hotside. The .48 will have less lag, like basically none and is probably enough to hit 350WHP with.

The Biki is just as easy to tune if you have a wideband as the Ultimate. I haven't touched either, but I "know" people who have. The software appears failry simple, plus the options are HUGE with biki.

WD

[WDRacing]

d!ck in each hand, that's how I roll. It's like skiing... but with d!ck.

I just laughed my *** off man...well done

[Dustin240]

What can the emanage blue do with the wideband input?

[Chezedik]

Nothing except log it with your other data. Basically, it just puts it on the same chart with TPS and MAFv, etc.

[Dustin240]

I have a problem, I have to use a friends laptop because mine is N/A on the DB9 male serial port. Is there a fix other than a new laptop?

And just got busted by the cops & He said, he's never seen a car get up and go like that before. LOL

[Chezedik]

Yeah, I just bought a Car Hacker cable that is USB on both ends. It is cheaper than the support tool too. Here is the link:

http://hc.car-hacker.com/viewtopic.php?p=2802#2802