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Postby playbass311 » Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:51 pm



So I had been reading up for sometime now about that $50 roller paint job and decided that my 16 year old oxidized car needed some paint and cheaply. I figured even if all went to hell it couldnt possible get much worse.

So heres what i used.

Paint: Interlux Brightside Gloss Black


and Interlux Brushing liquid 333


I also used 3in High Density Rollers and a foam brush for those hard to reach places. And a crap load of sand paper, 220, 400, 600, 800, 1000, 1500, and 2000

First I took off any trim i could (tail lights, side markers, etc, and taped up the rest of the trim

Next, sanded my paint down with 220 and then 400 to prep it for paint


I also repaired any large dents and what not by heavy sanding and then using filler, on dents like this



After all the prep was done, i washed off as much of the dust and crap off as i could with water and dish soap. Now onto the painting!

I layed down the first couple of coats really thin, thinned about 10% so that it wouldnt be so hard during wetsanding to get out orange peel. (ugh, more about that later)

I layed on 2 coats with about 12 hours inbetween, then I let it dry for about 17 hours and then wetsanded with 600 - 800 grit, and repeated the process with thicker paint with 1000 grit and then 1500 grit and then 2000 grit. Since my car was already black I only really needed about 5 coats, which came to be a little less than a quart. Here are a couple of pictures with the paint still wet.





I then whipped out the random orbital buffer and these 3M compounds: Rubbing Compound, Swirl Remover, and Final Glaze to bring out the shine.


After that I hand waxed the car with Meguiars Tech Wax and here are some of the finished pictures, sorry, the lense on my camera is pretty dirty.










Overall, it came out okay, I think it would look much better had I more experiance with wetsanding to even out the paint, as I ended up with A LOT of orange peel, I also may have been laying on the paint too thick on my last 2 coats. I think one of these days when I have more time I will wetsand the heck out of it to get it nice and smooth. But really, for the price, it came out really well, I spent probably about $60 or so on supplies and spent about a week on it (I'm on my spring break). This was great for what it was, as I couldnt see myself spending more on paint than I did on the car. It was really labor intensive though, and I suggest undergoing this project with a friend, as it makes it a lot easier. Also, I would suggest thinning the paint as it makes the wetsanding process a thousand times easier. Well, thats all I got, hopefully this is useful to someone out there!
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Postby XingYu » Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:55 pm

Looks good! I wish I had the time to do this to my car. Congrats =)

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Postby playbass311 » Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:58 pm

thanks man, yeah it was a lot of work, mostly the wetsanding, whew.
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Postby karmakaze » Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:07 pm

yeah i am sorta doing the same thing, except i don't feel like doing all the sanding right now so i am rolling on rustoleum flat black.
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Postby le_ryan » Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:07 pm

sweet, Im still working up the muster to do this, hey, do ya got any bigger pics to show the result a little better?
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Postby travisn » Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:11 pm

fyi, you arent supposed to wax fresh paint for a month. i know this is true with base/clear so i assume regular paint too...

you have to give the solvent time to evaporate out before you seal it in with wax... i hope nothing happens to yer paint
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Postby playbass311 » Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:19 pm

travis newberry wrote:fyi, you arent supposed to wax fresh paint for a month. i know this is true with base/clear so i assume regular paint too...

you have to give the solvent time to evaporate out before you seal it in with wax... i hope nothing happens to yer paint
Yeah I've heard that too, but people on the moparts forum (where I found out about this) did both, some waited and some didnt, I too am hoping nothing happens to it, haha. Its okay though, Im not reaaaal happy with my outcome and plan on redoing it this summer as I have 2 extra quarts, hopefully I will have better results when I do this again.
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Postby zerepdivad » Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:19 pm

i tried this on my 240 hatch. How the heck do you reduce orange peel. The paint was nice and shiny but there is a crap load of orange peel. so if ya got any tips on how to reduce the peel would be bad to the bone.
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Postby playbass311 » Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:20 pm

vroom-chirp wrote:sweet, Im still working up the muster to do this, hey, do ya got any bigger pics to show the result a little better?
I'll try to snap some tomorrow for ya.
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Postby playbass311 » Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:23 pm

zerepdivad wrote:i tried this on my 240 hatch. How the heck do you reduce orange peel. The paint was nice and shiny but there is a crap load of orange peel. so if ya got any tips on how to reduce the peel would be bad to the bone.
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From what I understand, you're going to want to thin the paint more, and then wetsand thorougly between coats, starting with after the first one. If you dont wetsand out that orange peel in the first coat it will just keep building up with your following coats and be that much harder to get out. I found that out the hard way which is why I plan on redoing mine from scratch this summer. Also, prep is important too, a nice surface to start with is going to treat you better.
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Postby sip » Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:39 pm

Do you have any bigger pics?

Yeah, the paint needs to be very thin.
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Postby le_ryan » Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:48 pm

sip wrote:Do you have any bigger pics?

Yeah, the paint needs to be very thin.
vroom-chirp wrote:sweet, Im still working up the muster to do this, hey, do ya got any bigger pics to show the result a little better?
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I'll try to snap some tomorrow for ya.
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Postby eds13 » Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:24 pm

lookin sweet man! love the tail lights, i want some so bad lol

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Postby boj240 » Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:31 pm

got closer pic of paint ?
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Postby SketchyRollin564 » Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:53 pm

From what the tiny pics allow me to see, it looks REALLY good, for how it was done. Good job. No before pics?
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Postby mangabay » Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:11 pm

did u have any roller lines? for the life of me, i cannot get them to go away!
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Postby tintingkc » Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:38 pm

I am in the process of doing the same thing. I am taking a lot of time on it since its black paint.

The roller lines are due to the paint being to thick or you are putting too much paint on. You also don't need or want to use a lot of pressure. If you put it on real light and thin then you wont have near as much to wet sand.
I am going to try shooting the paint on this weekend with a cheap gun and acetone to see what the paint does.

The final product is only as good as your prep.


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Postby dsc4130 » Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:40 pm

playbass311 looks really good. btw i like the t-1 logo avatar. i love me some bicycle riding
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Postby playbass311 » Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:06 am

dsc4130 wrote:playbass311 looks really good. btw i like the t-1 logo avatar. i love me some bicycle riding
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BTW, i do have some roller lines as my technique wasnt great, which is why I plan on redoing it sometime when I have time. I'll try and snap some closer pics today, if I get a chance inbetween my shifts at work, although right now I am very confused because there is snow outside in April? Good thing my car is in the garage
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Postby hungryjoseph » Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:59 am

i can't beleive it SNOWED today like wtf i just washed my car last night =/ ur paint's looking really good.. lol i'm going to be painting my chuki bumper, hopefully it comes out alright

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Postby lbrowne » Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:24 am

Brightside FTW. I heard that is the easiest of the roll-ons to do because its meant to go on boats with a brush.

I think you may have not thinned it enough. Get a good buffer like a porter cable. All that labour, you must have scuffed the body up by hand? Most jobs I've seen on the mopar page they didn't scuff up the original paint.

I'd be more like you though, just to be sure the paint stuck. Good job!

I think you're only a good 1-2 days of wet sanding from what you want.
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Postby le_ryan » Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:03 am

bigger pics or fail !
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Postby bt2s14 » Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:11 am

Looks like it came out pretty good. I think I am going to try this when the weather

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Postby EKA » Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:34 pm

from the pics it looks real good
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Postby playbass311 » Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:59 pm

Thanks a lot everyone! I'm not totally done yet though, I have a day off work and time after school on wednsday and am planning on spending a solid amount of time wetsanding to help it come out better. Hopefully itll do the trick.

And yeah, Brightside is the easiest to work with because you dont have to just play a guessing game with thinning like with rustoleum, and from what I've read from people who did both was that Brightside came out glossier and harder. Well, I'll snap some more pics on Wednsday night or Thursday after I wetsand more for an update, I really appreciate the feedback
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Postby playbass311 » Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:03 pm

Well here are a couple bigger pics, as you can see I'm not too happy with how thick I layed on the paint because of the MASSSSSIVE amount of orange peel I have. Also, if you look closely, you will see that I still suffer from some roller marks


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Postby dsc4130 » Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:57 pm

yes but did you land it? i see people try fly outs all the time at work and they try to count it as a tailwhip
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Postby playbass311 » Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:27 pm

ofcourse I landed it, tailwhips are my absolute favorite and I do them day and night. They took me about a year to get dialed though, but now I do them really consistantly, and off and onto everything, box jumps are my favorite to do them off though, they just flow so efforlessly compared to banks and hips.
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Postby dsc4130 » Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:23 pm

ha sounds like the sad state of bmx right now, hwy ive you ever come through st.louis let me know, i work at ramp riders(you prolly dont know what that is) but we can def have a fun ses together
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Postby playbass311 » Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:23 am

most definatly man
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Postby Jesda » Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:54 am

You basically got a $100 paint job for $50.
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Postby moralesbmx » Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:04 am

yea he landed it on his nuts. i have some video proof. hahah. just kidding leo. cars looking pretty good but i wana come over and see it in person. my car should be running again today. just waiting for the ups man as i speak. see u around the hood.
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Postby CleanSfourteen » Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:36 am

I'm really impressed, I did alot of reading about roll-on painting after seeing a recent thread on here. From what I read the idea is there but I couldn't see it yielding any good results, but this looks really good!!

How is the texture??

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Postby dickie » Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:43 am

cool writeup, i really want to put it in the DIY section, but could you get back to me with some more hi-rez pics and maybe a little bit more detail in the process? THANKS!

ps, you think your weather was weird? here in ft worth we had 80 degress all week and on saturday it was 31 and snowed all day long.
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Postby NotDave » Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:48 am

from what ive read its better to thin it out more. like 20-25% mineral spirits and use a spray gun. i might try it on a fender (thats already the wrong color) to see how it turns out.

where did you buy the paint from?
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Postby playbass311 » Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:01 am

I ordered the paint from a place called Boaters Land, it was the lowest prices I could find.

dickie wrote:cool writeup, i really want to put it in the DIY section, but could you get back to me with some more hi-rez pics and maybe a little bit more detail in the process? THANKS!

ps, you think your weather was weird? here in ft worth we had 80 degress all week and on saturday it was 31 and snowed all day long.
I have the same pictures but like bigger, lol okay, I'll try a little bit more detail.

MATERIALS:
1-2 Quarts of Interlux Brightside



1 to 2 quartz of either Interlux Brushing Liquid 333 or pure mineral spirits (available at any hardware store)



Sandpaper pack of 180, 220, 320, 400, 600, 800, 1000, 1500, and 2000
You may not need all of this but I found that for the shape my body was in I needed a lot of different paper grits.

Spray bottle and shammy or squegee for wetsanding

A lot of high density foam rollers, they usually come in like a 6 pack, I used two packs all together.

A high density foam brush

3 step compounds, I used 3M Perfect-It series
Dont use any of the cheap Turtle Wax brand stuff, as it does not develop as much of a shine



A random orbital buffer, such as a Porter and Cable 7424, you are going to need something strong to compound.

PREPPING:

1.) Clean car thoroughly with water and a little bit of dish soap.

2.) Remove any trim (lights, etc) and tape off any remaining trim and glass etc.

3.) Sand down the car with 180 grit (possibly coarser like, 80 if you are doing a different color than what was orginally on there) then work your way up to 220 and then 400. I suggest using a rubber sanding block, like this [IMG][/IMG] http://mc.clintock.com/basemen...k.jpg [IMG][/IMG] versus an electric sander because you dont want to sand through any body lines or edges. You have much more control with the rubber block, and it also keeps everything even.



4.) Next, find any dents etc you need to fill or paint chips you need to sand out and take them out, because if you just paint over a dent, it will become amplified with the more paint you put on. I had a massive dent in my rear quarter panel from the previous owner, and as I couldnt seem to hammer it out at all, I opted to fill it with Bondo. Be sure when applying bondo, that you add enough hardener so that everything gets solid, other wise you might get it hard on the outside but still very doughy on the inside, and also, Bondo bonds to BARE METAL much better than old paint.


Once all your prep work is done, wash the car with some dish soap and water and let it dry overnight.

Note: if you are doing this in your garage, when you pull the car out to wash it, be sure to sweep, and wash your garage floor after sanding to get rid of all the dust and keep it out of your painting area.

PAINTING:

1.) First of all, do not get the paint shaken, it will cause air bubbles that will show up in the paint, and make it a bigger hassel for you. Instead, mix the paint by hand to minimize bubbles. For the first few coats, I suggest mixing with about 10% of either the brushing fluid or mineral spirits. After mixing, let it sit for about 20 minutes so that any air bubbles can escape.

2.) Next, wipe down the car with the thinner and then go over the whole car with a tack cloth to pick up any left over dust and debris.

Now you are ready to paint, grab to rollers in your hand, one loaded with paint, and one clean.

3.) Gentley lay down the paint not applying too much paint with each coat (I learned the hard way) if you apply to much or too hard you will get a lot of orange peel as well as roller marks.

*Do one panel at a time using long single strokes as that minimizes roller lines.

4.) After you have covered the whole panel, go back with the clean roller and gentley, with just the weight of the roller, go over the area you just painted to help pop any air bubbles as well as assisting the paint to level and smoothening out the roller lines.

*Even after the first coat or two the paint shouldnt necessarly have full coverage, in fact, if it does, its going on too thick, which is okayyy, if you like spending hours and hours wetsanding.

^ not full coverage, but still a little thick

To do any small and tight spots, just dip the foam brush in the paint and barely graze over the needed areas, or use the rounded end of the roller if you can fit it.

*Depending on the previous color and how thin the paint is, you will lay on anywhere between 4 and 8 coats total.

*You're going to want at least 2 coats before you wetsand (assuming you layed the paint down as thin as you should have) Allow the paint about 24 hours to cure before wetsanding, this will vary with the weather, the colder it is, the longer you'll want to wait.

WETSANDING:

1.) For the first wetsand, you should wetsand with 600 grit paper, making sure you keep the area wet with the spray bottle (with a littttttle bit of dish soap in it) and wiping it off to see how level it is with the squegee, the idea is to only sand the high spots, and not to sand the low spots. Be sure to change your paper frequently, the sand paper wears out faster than you think. When you are done your care should be a pretty uniform dull color

*use a sanding block for this also*

2.) Wash the car when you are done and let it dry for 18 to 24 hours, just to make sure no water will get in the paint.

PAINTING THE NEXT COATS:

1.) Repeat with another 2 coats, thinned less than the first two and wetsand using 800 grit this time.

2.) And then a final 2 coats unthinned, hopefully your technique for painting should be better this time that it will not be much more difficult to work with.
Wetsand with 1000 grit, and then wash, and wetsand with 1500 grit, wash, and wetsand finally with 2000 grit.

FINALIZING

1.) Now, you are ready to compound. Be aware that if you have any major areas of peel left over that you will most likely not get them out in compunding, and should go back and wetsand again (which unfortunetly is what I have to go do)

2.) Do small areas at a time and be sure not to go to hard as you may burn through the paint. Some people say its best to do this the day after the final coat, others say its better to do after a month or so, you be the judge.

3.) After you have done the whole car, wipe off any left over/splatter, and repeat using the swirl remover, and polish. By this point, your paint should feel super smoooooooth.

4.) With the polish, you will need to apply a little bit more pressure. the polish is what should bring out that nice pretty shine.








5.) Finally, you will want to seal all of your work in with wax, I've heard the best results with some type of pure carnuba wax, meguiar's tech wax, and other various high end waxes. Just make sure you dont cheap out here and have your paint faid because you didn't seal it up well enough.

Tips:

1.) Practice on a spare part or hunk of metal you have laying around to get the technique down

2.) Do this with more than just you, it will save you a lot of time and work

3.) Dont skip out on the prep and filling, the car will only look as good as how you prepped it.

4). If a panel starts going to hell, take either a thinner soaked roller or rag to it and you can remove what you just put on and try to re-apply it.

5.) Dont rush it like I did, because now I have to go back and re-wetsand, compound, polish, etc.

6.) Finally, dont get discouraged, it may look like crap at first, but chances are, it probably looked even worse before if you are resorting to using rollers on your car, so just use that to motivate you.

Hope thats better detail
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Postby jdm_master_X » Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:12 am

our cars are like twins!

nice job!
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Postby dickie » Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:49 am

awesome, i will prep this for article right now and let me know what you want your custom title to be!
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Postby H8tred » Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:13 am

It may have been said, but with a little post wet sanding, your paint would look great. I mean from the pictures, it still looks good, perhaps better than your average Macco spray haha. Wet sanding isn't hard, if you can sand, you can wet sand. I'd say start with an 800 grit, and keep a steady flow of water on your work area with a hose. work your way up with the grit, sanding first to get the orange peel. Then you want to take care of the marks left by the previous grits. Then you finish with your polish buffing compound, and wax. You should be able to get it to a damn fine shine.

Good job regardless, it took more balls than most people on here have to even touch the roller to the car in the first place. You took the leap, and with a little more work I think you will be both pleased and proud with what you have achieved.

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Postby playbass311 » Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:26 am

custom title ay? uhh I dont know, this is hard. haha. How about

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H8tred wrote:It may have been said, but with a little post wet sanding, your paint would look great. I mean from the pictures, it still looks good, perhaps better than your average Macco spray haha. Wet sanding isn't hard, if you can sand, you can wet sand. I'd say start with an 800 grit, and keep a steady flow of water on your work area with a hose. work your way up with the grit, sanding first to get the orange peel. Then you want to take care of the marks left by the previous grits. Then you finish with your polish buffing compound, and wax. You should be able to get it to a damn fine shine.

Good job regardless, it took more balls than most people on here have to even touch the roller to the car in the first place. You took the leap, and with a little more work I think you will be both pleased and proud with what you have achieved.
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