AGX + RSR Springs vs Coilovers

Post by **xyoufailmex** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 11:20 am

Well, compared to products like the Tein Flexs Im sure they dont compare, but Ive heard GREAT things about RSR springs and AGX struts... Can I expect great performance out of this? How so compared to a 1000 lower end Tein or Tanabe coilover set? I will be Auto-X and Road Racing, with a little parking lot drifting fun on the weekends. I have plans on Tein tension rods, strut bars, and all of that too... I just need somebody to point me in the right direction.

I started considering my engine swap stuff first, but then I changed my mind, since I read that it was possible for 240s with great suspension to hang with Corvettes and whatnot with stock suspension on road courses.

A little guidance please?

Post by **240marcuSX** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 11:30 am

Putting RSR race springs on AGX's doesnt seem like a wise decision to me, i have konis and they work perfectly. thats the best advice i can give you, if you decide to get RSR race springs.

Post by **xyoufailmex** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 11:38 am

Ok, well, RSR springs on Konis.... lol.. hows the performance there vs a 1000 dollar coilover system? Will I see a huge difference? Should I just save for coilovers?

Post by **240sx123** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:28 pm

240marcuSX wrote:Putting RSR race springs on AGX's doesnt seem like a wise decision to me, i have konis and they work perfectly. thats the best advice i can give you, if you decide to get RSR race springs.

why do you think so? do you think the RSR Race Springs are too stiff for the AGX's?

Post by **Meantime** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:29 pm

Go with Koni's if you do RS*R springs. I have the AGX with Race springs and they're definitely under-damped in the rears.

That being said, the handling is still far better than stock, and the ride is pretty good even at 4/8 stiffest settings. Drop is excellent also.

If it were me, based on what you said the car would be used for above, I would go with Konis and RS*R springs rather than a coilover. Unless you are 1) interested in tinkering with the ride height constantly or 2) running regularly on a smooth, well-kept high speed track, coilovers are overkill IMO.

Post by **deezlins** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:22 pm

but coilovers are also matched with the dampers they come with, dont forget about that. It just depends on how hardcore you want to go into handling, how much money you have, and how much adjustabilty you want.

Post by **Fenvy** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 3:36 pm

please consider the long run

how long does coilovers really last? I heard 2 to 5 year depending on driving style, are you willing to spend 1200+ for those coilovers or 300 got agx as replacement?

that said, I have no problem with abusing my agx, a lot of times I don't slow down over small bumps, are you willing to do the same with coilovers? I Thought so

Post by **xyoufailmex** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 5:36 pm

Well, I dont really have the money to spend on coilovers, but only because I want to swap engines ASAP... If I have to I can be patient, but I'm just wondering if there really is anything gained by coilovers... I will be road racing and drifting alot, like I said, but I dont know if its worth it... then again, Im looking at Koni prices... gonna run about 600 for all 4, plus 250 for RSRs... thats only 150 less than coilovers...

Anybody have good links to places with Koni Sports fairly cheap? How about some more suspension links so I can educate myself a bit more? Thanks!

Post by **Fenvy** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 11:51 pm

I am one of those... set it and forget it type of person

if you are not going to adjust it, fine tune it all the time then coilover is useless to you

Post by **240marcuSX** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:55 am

if you want something that isnt a true coilover setup, that matches a true coilover setup, and is race-proven, go with koni/ground control setup. theyre basically made for each other.

but my setup is the koni/rsr race and i love it so far, i havent raced on it yet, ill let you know in a month if youre still interested.

but yeah, when you see how short the rsr springs are, youll see what i mean.

i got my koni's from shox.com, not sure if i got a good deal or not, and i got my springs from phase2, and that was a great deal, like $20 cheaper than anywhere else that i could find new.

http://www.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=11638

Post by **xyoufailmex** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:10 am

What exactly what I need to adjust? I mean... I can adjust my driving style, rather than adjusting the coilover, right? Is it a matter of adjustability or maximum stability/performance?

Post by **240marcuSX** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:57 am

coilovers are to give you maximum adjustability, height, different springs with different rates, camber adjustment, dampening adjustment,

you can get all of the above with a koni/spring setup but youll have to pay for extra parts/services to get it and therefore it will cost you more than just getting a coilover setup to begin with.

if you feel like youre going to need maximum adjustability, get a nice coilover suspension, if not, the koni yellow/rsr combo will give you a nice ride height, and bump adjustability out of the box.

Post by **xyoufailmex** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:46 am

I just keep thinking that 300 would be better put into a set of good sways or tension bars

Post by **240marcuSX** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:23 am

$300? what $300 are you referring to?

Post by **xyoufailmex** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:36 am

Going Koni Struts and RSR Springs would be around 300 cheaper than getting Coilovers

Post by **240marcuSX** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:35 pm

oh, ok, yeah thats about right.

Post by **Fenvy** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:25 am

yeah... don't go with agx, like someone said in here, the rear damping is poor

Post by **Darius** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:47 am

What do you mean by having to pay for extra parts/services? What extra parts would you need to install on the RSR/Koni setup? Are you referring to camber plates and pillow ball mounts that come with coilovers?

Post by **240marcuSX** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:15 pm

yeah, camber plates to get camber adjustability, and there are places that offer services on koni dampers (re-valving for specific spring rates, or you can have them enable them to be both bump and rebound adjustable)

Post by **babowc** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:43 pm

:sigh: sorry to gravedig again.someone said the agx rear dampening isnt too great?

how does the AGX/tein compare to koni/rsr?

again, sorry to gravedigging. looking for a few answers before i go purchase the shockstrut/spring combo and whatever eles.

Post by **aesic** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:19 pm

Just add another option into the mix, how do Tien springs compare to H&R's? I don't trust the FAQ because H&R doesn't publish spring rates and the Tien rate is the maximum for the progressive spring.

-aesic

Post by **Kaforlife** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:53 am

Which Konis to get I've heard good things about the yellow

Post by **musashin** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:14 am

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Post by **Slappy** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:30 pm

There is nothing wrong at all with a quality spring/shock combo. Even high end race teams use them , not every thing runs on coilovers.

What you have to know is , is the spring rate on the spring to high , and will it blow the brand new shock you just bought.

Do some research on things like this. RS*R is a quality spring , but its rate is a little high , so i dont know what would be a good matching shock that could handle it. Also depends on what you do , and how hard you drive your car. Like i said , do some research , call some companies etc.

The base model TEIN and Tanabes are not in the $1k range. I got my Tanabe S-OC Sustec Type II's for $765. Only thing is , they are ride height adjustable only , and you need to your stock rear mounts , and buy aftermarket front Upper Pillow Ball Mounts like i did.

EDIT Damn you musashin , i typed all that without looking at the date. Why did you do that?

Post by **musashin** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:03 pm

i didnt do it. Kaforlife did.

Post by **Slappy** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:18 pm

musashin wrote:i didnt do it. Kaforlife did.

Oops! Sorry!

Kaforlife , Damn you!

Post by **musashin** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:02 pm

thats better.

Post by **koukicody** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:16 pm

good combos ive read about in the past are.

RS*R Race w/ Koni Yellows

RS*R Down-springs w/ AGX

TEIN w/ AGX

Eibach Sportline w/ Tokico d-spec (s14 only)

Espelir ASD w/ Tokico blues

etc. etc.

like Slappy said, just research the spring rates and find out what shock will properly match it. For instance RS*R Race springs are to high a rate for AGX's, so since they dont make bilsteins for the 240sx you got to go with Koni's. Which is a great, if not the best shock you can buy.

Also, some shocks cant handle too much of a drop, so be sure to look out for that. KYB says that anything over 2 inches of drop can blow their AGX shocks, so Eibach Sportlines are out, but the pro-kit would work fine.

If you have any questions, just call the shock company that you're intrested in with the spring rates and the drop and they will be glad to help tell you which one will work best

Post by **Kaforlife** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 6:37 pm

Thanks for the help

I love zombies

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