2015 Maxima - Return of the 4DSC?

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During "Nissan 360," a month-long showcase of the latest breakthroughs in vehicle technology, sustainability and market expansion, Nissan has been highlighting the latest models and engineering innovations for media attendees, investors, suppliers, dealers and industry experts.

Also during the event, Nissan executives hinted that the rapid-fire deployment of new models isn't likely to taper off anytime soon.

One of the quick previews that surprised attendees (and our staffers who were in attendance) was a brief peek at two images that Nissan’s global design and creative director Shiro Nakamura said will debut at the 2014 Detroit Auto Show in January.

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He indicated the concept vehicle will reveal the “future design direction” for the Nissan brand. It's very clearly derivative of other recent Nissan offerings, such as the Altima and Sentra, and even bears some passing resemblance to the design DNA of its upscale cousins at Infiniti.

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Since our sources within Nissan have confirmed that the Maxima is currently being developed for release in the 2015 model-year, we're going to go out on a limb here and assume that this is a sneak preview of Nissan's flagship sedan.

The current-generation Maxima has been roundly criticized by the Nissan faithful (and Maxima enthusiasts) for being "wrong-wheel-drive," too similar to the Altima, underpowered, and having abandoned the heritage of the Maxima name. This criticism is reflected in sales numbers: This year through July, Nissan sold 27,710 Maximas, down from 35,222 in the first seven months of 2012.

Because of the abundance of rear-drive platforms at Infiniti, it stands to reason that this car could not only gain a driveshaft, but it also might see all-wheel-drive and even a hybrid variant for additional performance.

This would most definitely return the Maxima to its rightful place as a true performance sedan, eager to compete once again with the likes of entry-level offerings from BMW, Lexus, Audi, Cadillac and Mercedes.

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I think I would spring for one..

I like the crisp "knife edge" body lines and with a refreshing C pillar shape that says goodbye to Howard K. Darren's 1953 Kaiser Manhattan retro look that Honda and BMW have also worn for way too long.

The engine could be a VQ37VHR (RWD) or the VQ25DE. It could share the Z-car transmissions and be offered in manual or automatic.

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So our incessant chatter finally makes a difference?
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I'd hope so, at least in small part.

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I just hope the rear glass that extends into the C-pillar doesn't look too gaudy in person, and that the maxima returns to a manual trans offering.

I was getting around 22mpg in one that I had for about 4 days. I can't believe a manual could do worse.

I don't really think the current gen (at least in its current format) is really underpowered though. It definitely scoots!

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In 2002 about 100,000 Maximas were sold. Last year it was just under 60,000.

There's enough volume to keep the badge going but the driving enthusiasts the Maxima once catered to abandoned ship long ago.

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RWD would be awesome, but they absolutely need to bring back the manual trans option.

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Bring back RWD, great handling, manual transmission, and better styling. Done and done.

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The problem is a fully loaded Altima is 35k what is the price of this RWD flagship sedan 40k? build it out to 50k?

you can buy any number of faster and better cars that are not Nissan's for 40-50k.

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AZhitman wrote: What do you guys think?

I have mixed feelings. I'm very encouraged that Nissan's finally talking about returning the Max to RWD, indifferent about them making an AWD or hybrid version (unnecessary), and disgusted if they build them with a CVT as the only transmission choice. the 4dsc ad campaign will not work with their CVT and will fail just as miserably as the last time if they don't add a manual transmission option.

And that front end in the pics is ugly. Like the Z prototype, they need to stop with the Bangle-ish excessive lines/creases/angles and should keep it simple/elegant.

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MOD is going to love that roofline :rotfl

I feel like RWD is a moot point. The last RWD maxima was so long ago. Heck, I'm pretty sure the 4DSC started with a FWD maxima. What I would like to see is M/T as an option, lighter weight, and better handling. Forget all the gaudy chrome and leather for just one second and make the car a blast to drive, THEN glue all the whatevers you want on it.

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krash wrote:I feel like RWD is a moot point. The last RWD maxima was so long ago. Heck, I'm pretty sure the 4DSC started with a FWD maxima. What I would like to see is M/T as an option, lighter weight, and better handling. Forget all the gaudy chrome and leather for just one second and make the car a blast to drive, THEN glue all the whatevers you want on it.
^THIS^

As for competing with other sporty sedan's, Nissan already has Infiniti to compete with them. There is no sense in trying to build the Maxima to do that unless they're going after the 300C/Charger.

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I'm indifferent...

I'm very acclimated to Nissan building things I don't desire, to the point of not believing in something until it hits a dealer.

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krash wrote:MOD is going to love that roofline :rotfl
You know me too well! My intention was to post "That roofline makes my intestines squirm in horror." It looks like the damn thing drove through a shrink ray at decreasing speed. The front end didn't get much exposure but by the time the butt-end rolled around it was full-on shrinkage time. Nobody likes shrinkage.

And what the Hell is going on with the side windows at the back? They shrink to unusable and ugly, and then become a pinstripe? WTF? Did the artist sneeze while sketching it?

And that front end hasn't grown on me. It's still as ugly as it was the first time they smeared it across the nose of an unfortunate concept car. It makes the nose look so narrow and tall, even if that's not really the case. But even aside from that, it's not nice to look at. It's just extreme and weird.

It's really, really terrible. If that thing actually happens, I'll start taking donations to fly to Yokohama and personally slap Carlos Ghosn as well as anyone directly involved in the car's design. The 7th gen can be ARGUED to be nice looking. This thing is just a fat mess.
krash wrote:I feel like RWD is a moot point. The last RWD maxima was so long ago. Heck, I'm pretty sure the 4DSC started with a FWD maxima. What I would like to see is M/T as an option, lighter weight, and better handling. Forget all the gaudy chrome and leather for just one second and make the car a blast to drive, THEN glue all the whatevers you want on it.
The original, REAL 4DSC was FWD. VG or VE V6 options. 160 or 190hp. Light weight (under 3000lb). Marvelously well-balanced for a strut-suspended sedan. The cabin was roomy, driving position was perfect, controls were right where they needed to be. The car didn't make enough torque for torque steer to be a problem, and the chassis was light and nimble enough for that to be completely okay. It was nice inside, but not overdone. With leather, they're nicer than many turn-of-the-centry entry-lux cars (C-class, for instance). Even without leather, they were comfortably equipped...multi-way seat adjust, tilt-wheel, auto-down windows, door-lock keypads on the doors. They were not LUXURY cars, but they were comfortable FUN cars. A combination everyone seems to have forgotten. The Maxima was like a GT in sedan form. It did a lot of things really well and even though it wasn't the best at any of them, it was better than most everyone else at all of them. And it was DAMN nice to look at. clean, sharp, simple. Subtly aggressive...nothing soft, but nothing overdone. It knew exactly what it was and it was completely confident that it was going to do one HELL of a good job at it.

Bring that back. Bring back the purposefulness. Bring back the simplicity. Stop trying to sell an RL competitor. Nobody buys RLs anyway!

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Speaking of Maximas that were once built like they should have been....

$4,800
2001 Nissan Maxima SE, rare 5 speed option, 205,000 miles, Engine replaced at 165,000 miles, rebuilt Trans and new Clutch, 2009 18" Maxima wheels plus I have the original wheels and tires that go with the car. Recent shocks and struts, original working Boze sound system with CD, cold A/C, Rebuilt frontend, Nice body and paint, Sunroof, Driver's seat upholstery shows wear, but the rest of the leather interior is very nice. This car runs perfect, no oil leaks, not a squeak or a rattle...drives like new. Everything works. Owned and maintained by a Nissan Service Manager.


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^why'd that have to be so far from florida?
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While I hope I am wrong, my bet is on different fascias with no huge changes in powertrain or engine orientation.

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TurboSauce wrote:^why'd that have to be so far from florida?
oh and Bex, I Pm'ed you
got it

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BREAKING: THE NEXT MAXIMA IS GOING TO BE A FIVE PASSENGER CROSSOVER WITH A CVT

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Jesda wrote:BREAKING: THE NEXT MAXIMA IS GOING TO BE A FIVE PASSENGER CROSSOVER WITH A CVT
If that were true, Nissan would be breaking wind instead of breaking news.

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Jesda wrote:BREAKING: THE NEXT MAXIMA IS GOING TO BE A FIVE PASSENGER CROSSOVER WITH A CVT
The part that makes my brain scream out in horror is the fact that this announcement would not be remotely shocking.

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not sure if this works or not. But here is a better picture of the front end, which looks pretty aggressive.

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Another view. They need to keep this design for the production model.
There is no way the maxima will go back to RWD since this is Infiniti's territory now.

Unfortunately, I think Nissan is on the war path about manual transmissions. As they've made them almost impossible to order lately.
Bundling them with overpriced Sport Packages. So almost no one can actually get one...

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Actually, the manual (at least on the Sentra / Versa / Note / Cube) is only available on the base models.

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You are right. For their cheaper models the manual is a way to keep the price low.
But I test drove an Altima Coupe V6 lst year, and the manual was then only avaiable with some "over $3000" sport option.
Sad....

Here is something that was taken in Death Valley:

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We live pretty close to another proving grounds, and occasionally see test mules rolling through our area... I'll keep an eye out for anything that looks like it might be of interest for you guys.

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I don't see any real difference between the current Altima and Maxima when you really get down to it. I've wondered for the last few years what they were thinking bringing these two cars so close together.

What I would like to see from the Maxima is a Nissan'd G37. Give me cloth seats, a toned down interior, and a few less luxuries, and a low point of sale. Then there would be a clear difference between the Max and the Altima.

Nissan has a chance to be the BMW of Japan. Give us well built cars that perform, with the driver in mind. Cars for people that care about cars. But I'm probably dreaming. Nissan may think that the enthusiast is too small of a market to cater to, and they might be right. But what the don't realize is there is a large segment out there who buy cars marketed to enthusiasts. They may not care about the nuances of variable intake geometry, but they can tell driving it that it's superior to the competition. When you make a car to meet the standards of the most demanding customers, it will exceed those of your less demanding ones.

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You don't have to build a car for enthusiasts for everyone to buy it. BMW is a great example. Let's look at the popular 3 series cars. They aren't designed to be sports cars. They're just well designed. It just so happens that means RWD, and good handling.

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I would argue that the 3 series is made for enthusiasts, despite not being a sports car. It is all in their slogan, "The Ultimate Driving Machine." The car is poised, composed, responsive, and performance that is superb for the class it is in. It's a sedan a real driver can own without hating life.

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My only argument about the whole slogan thing... Nissan builds their cars around the slogan "SHIFT_*" while the majority of their lineup doesn't let you shift a damn thing.

Not saying BMW doesn't build great driver's cars, however. I may be a BMW owner down the road.


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