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You can slap a big enuff turbo on anything and make it fast. Thats I guess why ppl can get GSXs so fast 2, THey are already factory so they consider a turbo just a bolt-on.


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This is why I like imports so much, So much contversy and ideas and thoughts to be expressed. Unlike just the Chevy vs. Ford.

We have Nissan vs. Mazda vs. Honda vs. Toyota vs. Mitsubishi

Such a bigger market to argue with :)

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Err, yeah. I see...hmm...ok...so far...I've understood this much:DSM are not Mitsubishi, DSMs suck a lot of ***, they blow up at random times, their handling sucks, anything with atleast 2 wheels can beat em.

Yes yes, before I continue arguing why don't you all turn up the BS meter even more because this is ever amusing.

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and you felt compleled to give us your input, because it was soo "ammusing"? hell, you even just registered a account jut to tell us how ammusing it was....

mitsubishi made ONE(in my opinion, that we cang et here, otherwise I'd include the EVO lancer series) good car, the 300gt Vr-4. and they hijacked the twin turbo Z's idea, and threw in a AWD system...where the center dif breaks under higher outputs...but its still a fun car.-chet

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I see... well, first of all, when you want to quote someone please spell properly ("ammusing"). Next I will not even start to argue about Mitsubishi hijacking Nissan's Z. Did Toyota also hijack Nissan's idea? Plus on the other hand...saying they "hijacked" Nissan's Twin Turbo Z is like saying Chevy copied Ford's V8 engine or vice versa. The cars are completely different; 300ZX's engine isn't transversely mounted....and threw in an AWD system...where the center dif breaks under higher outputs I see, brb...let me go launch my car at redline...Hmm...the diff didn't break and this must be nth time launching it. Mods: I/E/MBC. Not relevant but 2 Mitsubishi 14b turbos waiting to be put on.

The USDM Spec 4G63T 2G engine was a bit disappointing. Of course the problems that arose from the car were due to misuse. On the other hand the 1G engines are a lot more reliable. Oh and BTW you should be more worried about this:http://www.mitsubishicars.com/...x.jsp

So please continue as this is very "ammusing".

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Exar-Kun wrote:mitsubishi made ONE(in my opinion, that we cang et here, otherwise I'd include the EVO lancer series) good car, the 300gt Vr-4. and they hijacked the twin turbo Z's idea, and threw in a AWD system...where the center dif breaks under higher outputs...but its still a fun car.-chet


the evo will be here shortly, so you can count another good mitsubishi.

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the evo will be here shortly, so you can count another good mitsubishi.

Another good one? I really dont think Mits has any good cars, but the lancer. The others, yes blow up, cant handel, etc. etc. The lancer is the only thing mitsubishi has going for them. Lancers can handel and have speed, so Iam not arguing about the fact they are badass. And another thing you messed up on, the evo might be here, yes they claim what 250HP?? LOL you think us customs is gonna allow that? They are gonna beat teh **** outta that car. Look Nissan already has a badass car, the 350z, its sweet and isnt even turboed yet!

Err, yeah. I see...hmm...ok...so far...I've understood this much:DSM are not Mitsubishi, DSMs suck a lot of ***, they blow up at random times, their handling sucks, anything with atleast 2 wheels can beat em.

Yes yes, before I continue arguing why don't you all turn up the BS meter even more because this is ever amusing.

I never said anything with 2 wheels can beat them, so are quite quick, but ppl tend to over exagerate with them. DSM is Mitubishi.

BS, meter?? I have seen many DSMs blow up at the track, a few even before the first run. I guess they thought 22PSI was safe on stock internals and fuel. :)

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no toyota did not hijack nissans twin turbo Z idea. the layout of the turbo, engine, and such on the 3000GT is similar to to the VG30DETT....thats what I meant by hijacking....chill.(toyotas and Rx-7's=bi-sequential units, nissan and mitsu used two individual manifold fed turbos....but nissan did it first :p)and my spelling does suck, but you still got the point....

oh well. I just wanted the s15 here.....

everyone got opinions, take mine with a grain of salt, just like I take yours.

-chetand why do you still feel possesed to read this forum if all you do is tell me about how good your mitsubishis are? goto a mitsubishi forum dude.....and Im talking about MODDED vr-4's. not intake and exhaust "basics". the two I have seen drop the center diff were 450hp or more....impresive cars to say the least, but that AWD system weighs a lot......allong with the 4wd steering mitsubishi also realsed per nissan HICAS system release...

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Yes thats one of mitsubishi problems, overweight!!!

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mitsu does have a problem with wait

as for the evo they come with the same exact motor and tranny as the gsx only they come with a 16g turbo and a 40%-60% torque split rather than a 50%-50% like the gsx.

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TrueSlide wrote:the evo will be here shortly, so you can count another good mitsubishi.

Another good one? I really dont think Mits has any good cars, but the lancer. The others, yes blow up, cant handel, etc. etc. The lancer is the only thing mitsubishi has going for them. Lancers can handel and have speed


its funny you say that because the new lancer evolution will have an engine called the 4g63 in it.if im correct, thats the same engine put in turbo dsms.also about people running 22psi on stock fuel and internals, if their car blew up they are stupid and dont know how to mod a car. i honestly plan on geting a awd or fwd and run mid- low 13's and ill do that at no more than 15 psi unless i get fuel managment, 720cc injectors and a high flow fuel pump. i understand that many dsms will die because of people that boost more than 15 psi without the neccesary precautions, but thats because they are uneducated about what an engine needs and how it works, they think "ohh, i heard these eclipses are mad tyte fast yo, im gonna boost 22psi because some other dude did on dsmtalk.com, he had all kinds of fuel injector stuff and a cool laptop like in fast and the furious, i dont know about any of that, but i have a k&n filter so that should supply enough air to help the turbo thingy, also my collection of stickers will make me look like im so fast."

there are idiots like that who kill there cars and your making it look like the whole dsm community are stupid.

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i understand that many dsms will die because of people that boost more than 15 psi without the neccesary precautions, but thats because they are uneducated about what an engine needs and how it works, they think "ohh, i heard these eclipses are mad tyte fast yo, im gonna boost 22psi because some other dude did on dsmtalk.com, he had all kinds of fuel injector stuff and a cool laptop like in fast and the furious, i dont know about any of that, but i have a k&n filter so that should supply enough air to help the turbo thingy, also my collection of stickers will make me look like im so fast."

Thank you, thats why I was trying to say.

But Iam still trying to figure out why it seems eclipses tend to blow and have serious tranny problems? And the lancer doesnt?

Could it be a rice thing?Eclipses = Cheap = Easy to rice

Lancers = More Expensive = Ricers dont get. :)

I guess its mainly because of that, usually knowlegeable ppl get the better car.

also about people running 22psi on stock fuel and internals, if their car blew up they are stupid and dont know how to mod a car. i honestly plan on geting a awd or fwd and run mid- low 13's and ill do that at no more than 15 psi unless i get fuel managment, 720cc injectors and a high flow fuel pump.

What I was preaching 2, you need to mod it to make it worthwhile :)

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No, the engine in the Evolution 7 or 8, even though it is 4G63 is not the same 4G63 we have in our eclipses. It's similar, but everything is on the other side, intake is on the right, etc, basically it's a mirror image of the current engine we have.It comes with boost set stock at 1.5 bars, maybe 2. I'm not sure on this one, but I know in stock form they are running a lot of boost. Also I believe Evo 3 was the last Mitsu evo series car to run the 16G because the Evo 7 had almost no turbo lag for it used a twin scroll turbine, I believe ceramic or titanium made.The Evo can outhandle your precious 350Z and your R34. Want proof, go watch bestmotoring videos. It also out performs the WRX STi.Output on the US Spec Evo is 270+ It's been confirmed.

and why do you still feel possesed to read this forum if all you do is tell me about how good your mitsubishis are? goto a mitsubishi forum dude.....and Im talking about MODDED vr-4's. not intake and exhaust "basics". the two I have seen drop the center diff were 450hp or more....impresive cars to say the least, but that AWD system weighs a lot......I'm not here to preach at the fact that Mitsus are the greatest cars in the world, I am ofcourse perhaps biased towards them, but ofcourse I wouldn't stand that fact that they are being bashed due to misunderstanding.Not pointing out that perhaps it's true the DSMs have slightly unreilable engines, but not too long ago, I did see the great achievement of watching a nissan engine blow. A 95 240SX with a SR20DET in it. At the track (capital speedway, MD) Racing against a 01 Ford Lightining. It was a great sight when he over revved, goofed up on the launch, did a nice burn out and poof...car didn't move again. But that must be rare ofcourse since nissans are the greatest things since sliced bread.Yes it is a sad fact that that the 3000GT weighs a lot. But if you look at the weights, the supra isn't far down the road, heck the only difference between both of them is about 300 something lbs.But Ofcourse you can take away the active aerodynamics, some more electronic gadgets here and there, active suspension, put it on a diet. 3000GT stock vs Supra Stock 1/4, 3000GT is quicker.The JDM Spec GTO ofcourse is a much better car than what we got here.Also a local shop here which specialisizes in 3000GT tuning: Altered Atmosphere, runs a couple of 3000GT well over 450HP.Dyno Sheet

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Infinity wrote:No, the engine in the Evolution 7 or 8, even though it is 4G63 is not the same 4G63 we have in our eclipses. It's similar, but everything is on the other side, intake is on the right, etc, basically it's a mirror image of the current engine we have.It comes with boost set stock at 1.5 bars, maybe 2. I'm not sure on this one, but I know in stock form they are running a lot of boost. Also I believe Evo 3 was the last Mitsu evo series car to run the 16G because the Evo 7 had almost no turbo lag for it used a twin scroll turbine, I believe ceramic or titanium made.
Yes. It is Ceramic.

The same as the new F-Max Red.A Titanium spindle, and ceramic outer to reduce heat fade, and improve boost reaction time. (effectively eliminating turbo spool also known as lag)

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did see the great achievement of watching a nissan engine blow. Yea its happens :) It can happen to anything, I have seen videos of ferrais blowing up. Still that doesnt make DSM reliable.

since nissans are the greatest things since sliced bread.

You said it not me

3000GT stock vs Supra Stock 1/4, 3000GT is quicker.

Only becuase of the AWD system.

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yeah, i ahve seen twin turbo Z's blow their engines too, but that doesnt mean a dsm is more reliable, just like the fact I see DSM engines blow makes my car more reliable. I never said it did.

oh yeah, and why the hell do people call them "dsm" why not just call them turbo eclipses?

seems logical to me, we dont call the nissans "SR's" or something...

and the 300lbs is a signifigant difference dude....esspecailly in road racing.

oh well.....

I like the 3000gt overall...but I dislike its "grand touring" emphasis, much the same as I dislike the 300ZX and supra of the same generations.....only the Rx-7 stayed "true" to its sports car roots...and even then it slacked a bit....

oh well. differet folks, different opinions. thats how it works, I have had horrible personal experiance with the eclipse engines, as have many of the people at japanese motorsports, and ballanced performance...this doesnt mean they're bad, just means I havent seen many properly done ones maybe...who knows...

/me rambles on-chet

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TrueSlide wrote:did see the great achievement of watching a nissan engine blow. Yea its happens :) It can happen to anything, I have seen videos of ferrais blowing up. Still that doesnt make DSM reliable.

since nissans are the greatest things since sliced bread.

You said it not me

3000GT stock vs Supra Stock 1/4, 3000GT is quicker.

Only becuase of the AWD system.
Good job, master of the obvious. Here have a cookie.

They are called DSMs because they were created from a joint cooperation by Mitsubishi and Chrysler. The true DSMs are 90-some 94 or so. although some 95+ still carry DSM badges on them. They aren't just eclipses, because they have many names: Eclipse, Eagle Talon, Plymouth Laser etc.

I'd like to apologize to Exar-Kun and a few others, I'm sorry if I came out at first to be an arrogant *******. But I just feel I need to defend my opinions and opinions of others like me.

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I just think its just a bunch of mis-communication.

as an example, trueslide said some negitive things about dsm's, but i think its just that the only ones he has seen are owned by 16 yearolds or other irresponsible people that are uneducated in cars and think they can do certain mods without others to support. so from that his image of dsm's is tainted, but im sure if he spent some time on dsmtalk, he would see what TRUE dsm owners are like and how they treat their cars. its not his fault, just a misunderstanding.

im pretty sure this argument is over, because it started because of misconception and I think we all know what eachother ment by our opinions so now we can all be peaceful:icesangel

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now we can all be peaceful

I agree!!

Good job, master of the obvious. Here have a cookie.

Iam but a grasshopper.


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